We know that many Muslims take personal offense at any criticim of their religious beliefs. they find it difficult to understand " Freedom" of religion" in the west means that people are free to criticize Islam as well as any other religion!
This freedom is something very hard for some muslims to understand because they livedin Islamic countries, where any criticim of Muhammad or the Quran is viewed as criminal offense punishable by death. Under Islamic law no criticim of Muhammad or the Quran orIslam is alloed. In other words there is no fredom of or from religion in Muslim Countries. When Western Scholars appply scientific standards to the truth claims of Islam, they do not want this to be constructed as a personal attack .
Nobody should be afriad of reseach and we should all be free to do so

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, your observation is indeed correct.

The Muslims have declared war on the non-Muslims in Thailand and Philippines, and in fact many places of the world.

In Thailand since 2004, the Muslims have killed about 2500 people. They kill even old people, chopped of their heads and burn their bodies. In a war situation things are simplified, a Muslim kills a non-Muslim and vice versa.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6833183,00.html
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QSQUI80&show_article=1&cat=0

In the Philippines the news is about the same. Muslims have declared war on the non-Muslims.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP207525.htm

The time will come when all the mosques and religious Muslims schools that preach Islam, the religion of violence and decapitating heads in these area are destroyed.

Boaz has bend backwards in trying to convert Muslims. He should take advice from 2:Cor.6:16-18.

Its all very simple. Go to Saudi Arabia and apply to set up churches say, ten churches, if the Saudis deny building of churches and setting up of missions, close an equal number of mosques in Australia.

Phillip
Well Boaz should NOT try to convert them - just explain they should NOT try to convert us.There is a difference.
What we all need to remember is this. Religion has been the exuse for wars since the begining of time.
Answer is- Ban all religion. simply.

Just think how much more aid would get through if we wernt feeding big wages to heads of whatever Churches!
People just helping others despite the colour or religion.
Aboriginal people being the biggest winners!.

I am not happy with either Muslim Leaders Or Church Leaders in their lack of concern for Gods creatures.

If our Church leaders were smart they would use this NEW proposal not to stun Animals before having their throats cut in the name of Allah!.
However they are not that clever so I guess In will have to raise it publicly and invite them to make a comment.
"Ring The Bells"
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Kosha is even MORE cruel so we are not saying stop this proposal not to pre stun Animals in Australian Abattoirs ONLY for Muslims either.
As this thread is about Muslims I will leave you with this thought.

Jesus never killed or robbed anybody. If he had this would have been brought up at his trial. When we look at the life of Muhammad we find tha the clearly killed and robbed people in the name of Allah
"According to the Quaran."

Its all very simple. Go to Saudi Arabia and apply to set up churches say, ten churches, if the Saudis deny building of churches and setting up of missions, close an equal number of mosques in Australia.
Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 11 August 2007 11:24:43 AM

Pale Replies-
Well said! Philip. Good to see some Aussie spirit on OLO for a change. We should all take a leaf out of your book.If they dont like it here- leave BUT dont try to change OUR ways or they will get more than they thought.

This sort of attitude always puzzles me.

>>if the Saudis deny building of churches and setting up of missions, close an equal number of mosques in Australia.
Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 11 August 2007 11:24:43 AM

Pale Replies-
Well said! Philip. Good to see some Aussie spirit on OLO for a change. We should all take a leaf out of your book.<<

I thought that one of the defining characteristics of our society was that we are NOT as closed-minded as others. I thought that it was a good thing, to be tolerant, understanding of differences and generous-spirited. I thought, for example, that being a christian meant that you love your fellow-man, for all their faults and foibles. I thought as well, on another level, that the response "Yah-boo-sucks to you" belonged in the school playground.

But here are two people who think that it is a good thing to follow the example of Saudi Arabia in some form of impotent tit-for-tat tantrum.

It is pretty astounding thinking, really. They clearly approve of the Saudi Arabian political and social system, and wish to replicate it here.

In which case, surely it is more logical that they should emigrate to Saudi Arabia, rather than suggesting that "If they dont like it here- leave".

The reason we like it here, PALEIF and Philip Tang, is because Australia is - generally speaking, and with a few notable exceptions - a caring and tolerant society, that is big-hearted enough to understand that not all people are rabid, bible-thumping evangelists.