Hi Rob... well if you can point to an example of 'Christian' deception of a similiar nature, I'll speak just as loudly against it.... cheers.

DEMOS.. fortunately you are welcome to your opinion. It's just a bit of an odd one :)... 'child abuse' ? To me,... teaching children that there is 'nothing' to believe in is the worst form of child abuse availlable, because that destroys them at the soul level.
It takes away hope....and without hope we are all doomed.

I'll make one comment for the sake of Roberts point, I don't believe Fred Nile is on the right track with the "Christian" democratic party.
I don't believe in 'Christian' political parties, though I strongly believe in Christian lobby groups.. thats just democracy in action.

Demos..back to you. "IF" this was the Ananda Marga sect rather than Muslims, or.. National Socialists, or.. 'Fred Phelps' of 'dancing on the graves of dead gays' infame.. and HE wanted to set up a school for the indoctrination of young 'phelpsian' children... and grow his ideology in Sydney, you would have no objection ? Be honest now.
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Fred_Phelps

I was watching this morning a documentary on drug adddicts in Afghanistan. The reporters said of 2 brothers who were the focus of the doco "They were given a special treat after registration at the de-tox centre, a Mullah from the Mosque came to give them "spiritual guidance" where upon he (The Mullah) told them TURN OR BURRNNNNNNNn basically..He just told them of the PUNISHment which awaits them if they keep taking drugs.

Contrast this with the Teen Challenge movement began by Nicky Cruz, former gang leader where people are loved back to normality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Challenge

Boaz, if you are going to anticipate a reaction from me, I would prefer you to anticipate it correctly.

>>OK.. Before Pericles gets his knickers in a knot, and begins to berate me for bullying Muslims, this is an important social issue which should concern us all<<

You have described a perfectly normal bait-and-switch activity that goes on in development applications every day of the week, in every council in the land.

The only reason you have picked this one is because of its Islamic content, we all know that. And I for one was perfectly happy to let you witter on about it in your usual sensationalist style until it faded away.

But true to form, you turn a dispute over land use into a diatribe against Islam. Again.

>>"They were given a special treat after registration at the de-tox centre, a Mullah from the Mosque came to give them "spiritual guidance" where upon he (The Mullah) told them TURN OR BURRNNNNNNNn basically..He just told them of the PUNISHment which awaits them if they keep taking drugs. Contrast this with the Teen Challenge movement began by Nicky Cruz, former gang leader where people are loved back to normality.<<

You just cannot resist, can you?

You started the thread ostensibly to complain about acquiring land under false pretences to set up a school, fair enough. It happens all the time, for all sorts of reasons, but fair enough, complain away.

But at the very first opportunity, you dive into your standard whack-a-mozzie routine.

The "important social issue" is the fact that you don't see how your behaviour can encourage even more people to stand up to your bully-pulpit tactics.

Thanks Pericles. I had a feeling that Boazy's recent attack of tolerance would turn out to be temporary.

Actually, on reading the articles I don't think that the 'bait and switch' was directed towards the council (presumably the land is already correctly zoned for a school) but towards the State government, the prior land owner.

I don't suppose we can expect anytime soon to read an article from Boazy exposing shonky dealings by Christian organisations (e.g. Hillsong)?

CJ Morgan, we may get that article if we can track down a christain organisation doing a similar deception. Now we have just got to find a christain organisation that has done a similar bait and switch in that council area :(.

But then if we do find such an example then they won't really be christain so it won't count. They can be exposed as not really being christain (BD's thread some time ago back on a cult claming to be christain) wheras when muslims get caught doing the wrong thing that's just further proof of how bad their faith is.

Dealing with this stuff is almost as frustrating as dealing with HRS and his anti feminism crusade.

R0bert

Amen to that, R0bert!

Cheers mate ;)

Pericles... actually no, that was not my 'first' opportunity to 'whack a mozzie' as you put it.. I've had lots which I could have chosen. It was purely an issue of timing, I happen to be watching this morning, and thats what I saw.. it fits in with the 'values' issue that has been the theme here.. and I see fit to include it.

Tolerance..does not mean being uncritical. Or.. does it ?

Pericles.. it surprises me you know.. Kactuz went into 'mega' diatribe mode, posting 3 HUGE postings in a row, all directly mocking or at least showing some of the silly things found in Hadiths etc.. yet.... I don't see any berating of him from you ? any reason ?

Robert.. if you can find evidence of any HILLSONG deception.. I'll bite it big time...
As Pericles KNOWs... I ripped into WORLD VISION like a pit bull, and then ..EVEN THEN.. Pericles took the defensive, STILL berating me for criticizing a 200k salary package (which Pericles himself uncovered and publicized) for a man who himself criticized anothers 160k package.... c'mon guys.. I can and DO criticize 'Christian's, Muslims.. or Hindu's...or Buddhists.

It so happens, that I am more critical of "Islam" because as I understand the faith and it's history, it represents a danger when in the hands of those who use it as a sledge hammer against non Muslims.
The plight of Arab Christians in Palestine being a very recent case in point. The primary difference between 'Christians' using the faith as a sledge hammer and Muslims, is the recognized difference in scriptural foundation. (as agreed by Logic) i.e. you can connect Islamic radicalism to the Quran and Mohammad, but you cannot connect such things to Jesus.