Dear o sung wu,

I'm afraid the likelihood of having a logical and rational discussion with a bloke who thinks opening up silencers to sporting shooters is a strengthening rather than a weakening of gun laws.

But leaving that aside I do have a question if I may.

This is a report of a man going to a rifle range in South Australia with the express purpose of killing himself. He did not have a licence and while the instructor's back was turned for a moment he turned the gun on himself and fired. He was the third suicide at that range. The range in now putting in tethers and perspex shield in an attempt to prevent that happening again.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/report-to-be-prepared-for-coroner-following-death-of-person-at-marksman-indoor-firing-range/news-story/a78a03ba83537794880c7f2fbfdf9a86?=

If guns were instead as prolific through our communities as Is Mise and perhaps yourself are seeking that people would not have to go to all the bother of seeking out a gun club in order to take their lives, would this result in more or less suicides or don't you think it would make any difference?

Steele,

Just the other day in NSW a bloke who was wanted for questioning in a murder ran head on into a truck and killed himself. what do you propose should be done to stop motor vehicle suicides which are much more common than the range suicide that you mention?

How are you getting on with the strengthening of the gun laws which I mentioned?

Are you miffed that the Greens managed to stop harsher penalties for gun crime?

Another strengthening of the law in NSW is the success of the online application process initiated by the NSW Police, so successful has it been that there have been 20,000 applications processed since its introduction in 2018.

" There was a decrease in suicides by firearms during the study period especially after 1996 when a new firearm control law was implemented, while suicide by hanging continued to increase. Areas with a high proportion of indigenous population (eg, northwest of Queensland and top north of the Northern Territory) had shown a substantial increase in suicide incidence after 1995."

Picking particular methods of suicide proves nowt, people will substitute the methods.
Hanging seems to be the most popular, are you going to seek to ban ropes?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4120400/

Dear Is Mise,

I thought we were done but oh well.

Damn mate you are turning yourself inside out over this one aren't you.

This is how we started;

“Could you please shew me some evidence that gun laws are getting more lax?”

I did by showing how the rules around those who could apply for a licence to use a silencer were relaxed.

You instead called this a strengthening.

However you also said you were emphatically against them. When I asked "I do not support weakening of laws to allow silencers. Do you?" you replied with “Emphatically no. I have no desire to see silencers legalized beyond the present requirements.”.

So does this mean you are against or for the strengthening or weakening of gun laws? Who knows? One thing I'm pretty sure of is you don't.

Perhaps you had better take some time to decipher your contradictory muddle and get back to us when you have worked it all out.

Steele,

“Emphatically no. I have no desire to see silencers legalized beyond the present requirements.”.
and I stand by that, what's your problem?
Comprehension of English?

How are you going with the strengthenings that I mentioned?

Do you think that Evelyn Owen's first gun and the rest of the prototypes that led to the Owen Gun which was used by Australian troops in WWII with such success, should be welded up?

In case you don't know about Owen and his gun,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5aBa_rqZ3s

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin has signed a bill into law making it legal for state residents to carry firearms concealed without a license and also fostering an environment more hostile to federal gun control.

A coalition of 11 Republicans sponsored Senate Bill 150 (SB150). Under the new law, it is now legal to carry a firearm concealed in Kentucky without a license.

Persons age twenty-one (21) or older, and otherwise able to lawfully possess a firearm, may carry concealed firearms or other concealed deadly weapons without a license in the same locations as persons with valid licenses issued under KRS 237.110.

The state will continue to issue concealed carry licenses for those who wish to carry concealed in states that offer CCDW reciprocity.


SB150 passed the Senate by a 29-8 vote and cleared the House 60-37. With Gov. Bevin’s signature, the law will go into effect 90 after the conclusion of the legislative session.

Several “poison pill” amendments were proposed in the House to effectively kill the bill. Grassroots pressure was instrumental in holding legislators’ feet to the fire and moving the bill forward. Activist T.J. Roberts called the grassroots pressure “fundamental.”

Politicians do not support your fundamental liberty. The grassroots must put pressure on politicians to act in support of liberty. Multiple politicians wanted to kill this bill. Once they realized they would lose their job if they did kill the bill or poison it with anti-gun amendments, they fell in line.

Roberts said grassroots leaders are already looking at ways to build on the momentum.

A good next step for gun rights would be to nullify NICS in Kentucky by separating our background check system from that tyrannical federal system. In other issues, it may be time to pass the taxpayers bill of rights here in Kentucky.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

A couple of things if I may; If an individual is set upon committing suicide, they'll do it irrespective of whether there is the availability of a F/A. I've attended enough deaths to recognise that when a human being decides to 'top themselves' they'll do it, and in some case through the most ingenious of ways. 'Kissing a Loco,' being the most bizarre I've ever seen, and truly horrible, and utterly unforgettable.

And secondly, I don't have a gun, nor do I intend obtaining one. I've been mandated to carry one of the damn things for the past 32+ years. Now I've retired, I have retired from; possessing, carrying, and using a F/A.

However, I can understand and appreciate that many people both male & female, enjoy the sport of shooting, or hunting. I mentioned earlier of, my involvement with the Hurstville VDC 'big bore' (military) .303 rifle shooting, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I (personally) would hate to see a day when F/A's, the shooting sports, and hunting, are universally banned in Australia. If that were to occur, the rabid Greenies and the anti-gun lobbies would have won the day - If that were to happen, God help us!

By the By - One of the most coveted prizes available in any sporting activity is the 'Queens Prize.' Generally shot at Bisley in England. The winner is carried aloft at shoulder height (from the mound), in a specially designed wooden sedan chair, by four of his peers. Again IS MISE would know much more about the famed 'Queens Prize' than I do.