Steele,

"You said that Abdul Aziz Wahabzada has not got his due possibly because he picked up a firearm. That is just inane rubbish being propagated by a gun nut fetisher, you"

I didn't say that at all, but go on with your amateur psychology; I will presume that you would not give Abdul Aziz an award.

Dear Is Mise,

You: “Strangely no one has commented on Abdul Aziz … Perhaps it's because he is a Muslim, or because he picked up a firearm and was prepared to use it against the killer?”

Me: “You said that Abdul Aziz Wahabzada has not got his due possibly because he picked up a firearm.”

You: “I didn't say that at all“

Me: “Pigs arse ya mug.”

Steele,

"You: “Strangely no one has commented on Abdul Aziz … Perhaps it's because he is a Muslim, or because he picked up a firearm and was prepared to use it against the killer?”

Me: “You said that Abdul Aziz Wahabzada has not got his due possibly because he picked up a firearm.”

and I didn't say that at all, you left out all that I said, your selective quotations are on a par with your amateur psychology and your manners.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Please understand that I'm not defending IS MISE. He's more than capable of supporting himself.

However, to call this man a 'mug' is pretty well demeaning my friend. Is Mise is a legitimate Australian Veteran. A Veteran of the Korean War. He served with the legendary 3RAR, who secured more battle honours in that conflict than any other Australian Unit, to my knowledge.

Moreover, I've disagreed with him, on several occasions, concerning some issues to do with F/A's. Nevertheless, Steele, he's no 'mug' far from it! He might be misinformed, inaccurate, even wrong. But IS MISE knows more about Firearms than probably anyone else on this Forum.

Post his military career; he was engaged with overhauling and repairing U/S (unservicable) weapons needed for the Vietnam War - No 'mug' would ever be permitted to perform such a role as that, unless he was fully qualified and committed. Soldiers lives depended on the serviceability of those weapons.

So I ask you, Steele, try to avoid calling this Aussie Veteran a 'mug.' Is MISE might be a lot of things to you, Steele, but a 'mug' he's definitely not!

Dear o sung wu,

A person's 'mugness' is definitely in the eye of the beholder it seems.

In Is Mise's case he certainly earned the epitaph on this occasion by saying one thing and then flat out denying it in the next post.

Of course when he postulates “Steele, Are you as stupid as you portray yourself?” he is perfectly within his rights to do so and it isn't something that occupies too much of my thoughts.

So the question then becomes should his military service afford him some dispensation from robust criticism on this forum? I would say to do so would be to treat him like a child. There are a few on here with which I do just that. They are in an incessant tantrum loop and so I find ignoring them a perfectly adequate response.

There are obviously occasions where diffidence to a person's military service is entirely appropriate, just not on an anonymous forum in this small corner of the internet, especially with someone who is quite willing to dish it out when the mood takes them.

But there is one other consideration, how you personally feel about my exchanges with Is Mise. They are obviously cause some discomfort since you have raised it with me on another occasion. It is for that reason I will endevour to moderate my bombast when discussing issues with him.

I should be perfectly clear though, having advanced knowledge about firearms is one thing, having an obvious love of them and the belief they should be propagated throughout our society is another whatever the cost is quite another.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

A fair answer I guess. I'm just as bad as anyone I guess, whenever people lodge an unfair criticism of coppers. You'll note I did say 'unfair.' The cops past & present have much to answer for, in relation to some of their conduct & responses when dealing with their Bosses (the public). We all have our foibles I suspect; whether a policeman or clergyman?

Anyway, Steele, I'm exhausted with all these shootings, and personally, I'm at a loss, how society should attempt to prevent further massacres of the scale we've seen regularly in the United States, and now the horror that was Christchurch, and Port Arthur. I can only re-emphasize; Steele. Any attempts by any government to completely disarm the public, of the legally owned, and registered F/A's, will be so, at their peril!