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Bring IS fighters home?

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hi Foxy,

I to believe strongly in the rule of law. which some here apparently do not, the "shoot the bastards" mob for one.

There are problems;

Some of these people are Australian citizens, even born here.
As Steele pointed out, some were not engaged with ISIS, but with other groups, some at times supported by Australia. What about them.
Then there is the problem of proof beyond reasonable doubt, which in many cases evidence could be very difficult to find, thus making it hard to obtain a conviction.

Why I agree with bring those that Australia are responsible for here, simply to keep a very good eye on them. Running around a lawless Middle East, being further radicalised and indoctrinated we would have no idea what they could be plotting
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 23 February 2019 6:31:05 PM
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What is the penalty for treason in Australia ?
Posted by individual, Saturday, 23 February 2019 8:33:02 PM
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Dear individual,

I don't know, perhaps you would like to tell us. Google is your friend at times like these.

However the definition of treason is; "the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government".

While Australian law moved to make it illegal to do so was the action of going to Syria to take up arms against the Syrian military a treasonous act for any Australian?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 23 February 2019 8:41:55 PM
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If we leave them there someone will put them down, probably sooner rather than later. This would be fair, as helping to put others down was why they went there.

This will save us a whole lot of expense & problems.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 23 February 2019 11:16:30 PM
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To Armchair Critic.

What you've said sounds reasonable in order to protect ourselves and our communities. However, much of the teachings in the bible aren't about just being reasonable, but are a challenge in the hard decisions of life. This is one of those instances. I'm not arguing to be a Good Samaritan, like taking an injured person looking after them and taking them to a place they can heal. (Though the Good Samaritan parable is worth considering a bit). Instead what I've tried to hold both the things we should do and find a way that might be able to do both.

The two concerns here are to 1) protect the countries that these IS brides want to return to, and 2) to give a second chance to those who are citizens of their home country, if they truly realize their mistake.

If they really are sincere and realize the dangers they are in from being in IS and whatever country they're now in, then coming back from there regardless of the conditions made for their return would be the real concern. Especially if they have children as the ones in the news seem to. If this is the real situation then handing your children to a safe place supersedes staying in a dangerous place but keeping them there. If they are not sincere, then yes this sacrifice of saying goodbye to their children will be to much to agree with.

That is the biggest filter for dividing up the sincere from the still terrorist women. But there are other conditions that can be met. A public apology, registering as a terrorist bride and wherever you are having that as part of your record, even going to court and jail. From these they would have to also swallow their pride and apologize (hard to do if they are not sincere) and accept whatever terms of a life in the country they originally came from, because even those terms would be better then the "mistake" they chose.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Sunday, 24 February 2019 3:38:01 AM
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I honestly think these are a high enough standard that not many brides will want to come home and face any consequences such as these. Only those who are sincere and desperate to get out. (Which is essentially what they claim they are anyways).
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Sunday, 24 February 2019 3:38:33 AM
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