Treatment...of various groups in Israel/Palestine.

I've just created a thread, which if approved will prove important I believe.

Title God, reaching out to Muslims...'TODAY'.

But to see just how wonderful the video truly is, you should view this one first, to establish an element of 'mood/atmosphere'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us_HTaEvDbk&watch_response

Note the comments in this video, and how Christians are being treated by Islamists... the case of a Muslim man who became Christian... tortured, finally killed.

Is it bleak ? Is it 'the end' ? is it the end of Christianity in Palestine ? From 80% Christian to 15% Christian ?

as we often find in Scripture... "but God"... and the 'but' is found in this video.. not in 'a call to arms'...not in 'rallying superpowers against Islamists'....no.. another way. and here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1nBSgkkS6M&mode=related&search=

TOPIC.. Is Israel justified ? My previous posts answer that, but this one, answers the WHOLE problem, this shows how life can be when people open their hearts to the Almighty, and Christ is Lord of their lives.

In the same way that many Christians have left Palestine, yet the Kingdom of God is not weakened. Just so, the Palestinians could also emigrate and retain their dignity. We have to respond to historical forces in practical workable ways. Failure to realize this will give us continued and ongoing strife as we see in Israel/Palestine.

Kalin,
Where are you?
Well, I'll start our debate without you, with the gecko thing.

First, the hadith:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/026.smt.html#026.5560

Muslim, Book 026, Number 5562:
'Amir b. Sa'd reported ... that Allah's Apostle commanded the killing of geckos, and he called them little noxious creatures.

Number 5564:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who killed a gecko with the first stroke for him is such and such a reward, and he who killed it with a second stroke for him is such and such reward less than the first one, and he who killed it with the third stroke for him is such and such ...

Maybe killing tiny harmless lizards is good practice for Muslims for use against infidels.

And Muslims get a reward. It doen't specifically say 'virgins', but it also doesn't say the reward is NOT an extra virgin, especially if you kill the gecko in one bold stroke.

About the ahadeeth - a few quotes on how reliable they are:

"This thorough authentication process ensures that these accounts (the Hadiths) are real, validated narrations of the sayings, actions, and tacit approvals of the Prophet Muhammad." http://thetruereligion.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=106

"These (hadiths) are the real explanation, interpretation, and the living example of the Prophet (...) for teachings of the Qur'an." http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/

And what about the hundreds of Islamic sites that say things like this?
"The Prophet Muhammad taught mercy to all of God’s creation."
"Mistreating animals is considered a sin in Islam." "He was known for being very sympathetic and loving towards animals..." from
http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/Environment/article04.shtml

See, Kalin, I have read most of Islamic writings and I made hundreds of notes. I even scanned in some really interesting pages. Muslims don't know their own writings. Did you know that the hadith don't actually say that Mohammad was expelled from Mecca (the Hijrah), as so many Muslim believe?

So, how do you feel about geckos?

Tomorrow we will talk about the happy wedding night of Safiyyah Abu Ayyub, one of your prophet's wives, or if you want you can choose another topic.

Kactuz

The debate continues. Now about Safiyyah…

I quote from Al-Tabari (Ta'rikh al-rusul wa'l-muluk), Volume XXXI, Biographies of the prophet's Companions, page185, section2453 - Supplement, about the prophet's wives.

Quote: Safiyyah “was married to Kinanah b.al-Rabi` b.Abi al-Huqayq al-Nadari. The latter was killed in the battle of Khaybar, leaving her a widow. Ibn `Umar[al-Waqidi] - Kathir b.Zayd - al-Walid b.Rabah - Abu Hurayrah: While the Prophet was lying with Safiyyah Abu Ayyub stayed the night at his door. When he saw the Prophet in the morning he said "God is the Greatest." He had a sword with him; he said to the Prophet "O Messenger of God, this young woman had just been married, and you killed her father, her brother and her husband, so I did not trust her [not to harm] you." The Prophet laughed and said "Good."

Get that? Mohammad killed her husband (hacked to pieces), her father and brother the day before marrying Safiyyah. From her attitude, the guard was afraid that S would attack M. When the guard mentioned the vile murder, M laughs and says ‘good.’ Pathetic!

By the way, both S and Juwayriyyah were wed immediately after M killed their husbands. Doesn’t the Quran say (2:234) that widows should wait 4 months, 10 days to wed? Or is this just another special privilege for Mohammud?

Muslims cannot be honest about their prophet.

Note this post:
Did Muhammad (PBUH) Torture His Enemies? from
http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/misconception/article06.shtml

Quote: With matchless mercy, he treated his enemies. With astounding justice he instructed his companions to treat all and sundry with due respect and fairness irrespective of geographical boundaries and religious inclinations. It was the character of Muhammad to meet the persecution and torture of his enemies with pardon and tolerance. He was the most merciful person. Allah called him as “a mercy to the worlds” (Al-Anbiya’: 107).

Now, read verse 261 here:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html
Maybe hot nails in eyes, amputated limbs and dying of thirst isn’t torture.

How about a little honesty?

And Muslims say Praise-be-unto-him after this man’s name.

Tomorrow: all the women in the Quran.

Kactuz

Continuing...

Kalin, where are you? You challenged me.

Maybe you don't like my choice of material. Fine. Then you pick a topic from either the Quran and hadith. Fair? We will do one topic of yours and then one from my list.

Otherwise I will debate all 10 topics myself, one each day. It won't be very interesting (kind of like sex by yourself, I guess), but I do not back down. I spent a lot of time reading all those Islamic documents. It was mostly very boring stuff, and between just the two of us, the prose in the Quran sucks. The hadith were a little better (more action!), but I wish they would put a twelve letter limit on any Arabic name. At least the characters in the Bible have names we can actually pronounce - and remember (only one word!). I did scan quite a few pages for my records, including the page from Tabari above, about S's happy wedding night. Hey maybe having your husband, father and brother just killed turns a women on. Think about it.

Like I said, manana we will talk about all the women named in the Quran. Must be hundreds of them, right? Well, maybe less. Maybe a few dozen. We all know how Islam loves and respect women.

Be back in 24 hours.

Kactuz

John.. (Kactuz) could you email me at newlifeinhim777@yahoo.com.au
I want to discuss something with you mate.

cheers
BD

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