Paul you get it again! the Shadow Minister award for being other than him in your views
You should regard it as an honor
Bill Shorten our country,s next Prime Minister is talking to the national press club
In part the inability of Liberals to even consider what voters want, is ensuring he gets that office

Belly and Paul,
What you blokes will not agree to is the thing that saved us during the GFC was the fact that other countries, like China, were still buying our iron ore, gas and coal.

The ponzi and badly managed schemes arranged by Labor simply created massive debt and did nothing to help us.

Labor lied and lied to us about most things, even their responsibility for the deaths of 1200 illegals and the workers deaths while installing the pink bats.

Nothing will change this time round with Labor.

Henry L think we can agree on two things, every post ww2 government was elected because they had been the one voters wanted
And just as surely, they, every one of them lost when the voters rejected them
Now Rudd we can swap views all day, but truth is some, quite a few voters are voting on what they see now, not history
45/55 is telling, new voters, post 2010/and 2016 may not even know about either of our views about 11 years ago
One poster often, tells us the election of the big man, in 1972, is reason this country is buggered!
Voters get it right
Labor will not ever let the boats restart let the detainees come here

Belly - Are you aware that politicians who are elected are supposed to represent everyone, even those that do not vote for them.

Taking that into account what do you have to say about this while deputy leader, Gillard questioned an increase to the aged pension, allegedly saying “elderly voters did not support Labor”.

So much for representing everyone.

PHILIP S let me be clear I am aware of that utterance from a woman I never warmed to
Never joined the dreadful hate but never elected and never wanted
At this time I could list an endless list of Government human failures, just like her
Would that be in any way proof the whole party, based on the actions of some one long gone, is not worth electing?
Voters are presented with today,s Labor V today,s Liberal
45/55
Do you think they care about yesterday?Maybe Brendan Nelsons reply to Rudd,s sorry speech as pathetic and insulting as it was is going to be on the minds of voters next year?

"Voters are presented with today's Labor V today's Liberal" [edited]

- Some choose 'None of the above'.