David.

Mathew 18:15

“If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the offense. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back."

The text goes further about resolving an issue of sin in another, but this first part sets the tone. You go talk to them for their benefit, to win them back. Redeem them. If your offended by the term redeem (you offend so easily), then consider it having each other's backs. If your offended even by that then grow a backbone. As of now you've basically said to not try to help another because it's 1) offensive to do so, 2) arrogant to try, and 3) unwelcome because they didn't give you permission to offer your kindness or help. Seriously? I hope if I ever am in need of anything I find someone who gives a damn. Unfortunately it sounds like that won't be you.

Yes you need redeeming. I need redeeming, everyone needs a bit of help in this crazy world, either because of their own doing or because their situation fell on them without their influencing it. This isn't dividing people up to who is good and who is evil. It doesn't even have to be on the scale of good and evil, but just looking after your brother and looking after your sister. While hoping they are doing the same for you.

Belly.

The tone towards both Trump and Christianity seemed like it was turning into just a conversation to complain about those two things instead of addressing hatred. Essentially it sounded like it's own version of hate to a group (or several) that is disagreed with. The cover is that the group hated are the ones doing the hating. I've seen this logic before. I don't agree with it usually. Thank you for clarifying that you weren't trying to stir anything up. Sometimes people use that kind of logic not because they believe it but because they want entertainment from the arguing that follows it. Again thank you for clarifying that was not your intent.

Dear NNS,

I will try to resist the urge to communicate further to you. I think we are so far about that even with the best of intentions we cannot help each other.

When someone said "it's a fine day" to Napoleon he replied"thank you".
NNS "redeem" usually refers to a sinner returning to the Lord. Would that be yourself - just checking.

Jayb,

I can't really comment about something that may or may
not take place by some unknown entity against another
unknown entity for an unclear reason.

Well I thought it was clear. A lot of the people who support Gays also Support moslims. Moslims Hate Gays. Will the people who support Gays & moslims demonstrate against Moslims who hate Gays. It's a bit of a dilemma for them isn't it?

Is Mise said that they are in negotiations about the Demonstration with the Media who want to show faces. Apparently they don't. Also they are looking for a venue to hold the Demonstration.

If & when they do hold the Demonstration, would you go? & which side would you be supporting? Which side would you support even if you didn't go? Or, would you sit this one out because you support peoples Right to be Gay & the moslims Right to support their Religious view on the Subject & hate Gays?

To Nick.

Redeeming someone from their sins and returning to God is one of the main points of redemption. I agree. However with a little study, I've found a few others. One is to redeem a slave, or to redeem a widow from a family member who died. If taken on that understanding, then God saving and redeeming Israel from slavery in Egypt is part of the concept of redeeming us. As is Jesus coming to rescue is from our sins and ourselves.

In this context my intent on focusing on redeeming another was to support that motivation instead of trying to right a wrong by getting even kind of outlook. If we have the type of focus to redeem and help, then hate won't be as strong an issue.