mhaze,

Thank You for the return compliment.
But it's undeserved - much as I like it.

The reality for me is - I tend to go with
my heart more often, rather than my brain.

Dear Shadow Minister'

You wrote;

“Genetics for idiots: Mitochondrial DNA in a child is an almost 100% copy of the mother's Mitochondrial DNA as the sperm adds only to the nucleus of the egg. This makes the mitochondrial DNA useful in tracing the female lineage through the generations with dating done by counting the transcription errors.”

Why are we going over mtDNA again?

Having gone and found that out the above for yourself I respectfully request you now go and again review my post with a disposition to employ your best efforts at comprehension.

““40% of all Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just four Jewish women who left the Middle East over 1,000 years ago and settled in Europe” the rest, 60%, do not have the genetics to afford them this validation and there are many more other factors taken into consideration such as recorded lineages, the testimony of witnesses, time within the culture etc.”

I repeat the point is that even with something as definitive as mtDNA the majority of Ashkenazi Jews don't have this genetic validation yet are still regarded as Jewish.

The frustrating this is that in many ways this is assisting your side of the argument not mine.

Anyway to move on and I will type slowly.

Native American in genetic terms includes those from Mexico and further south. There is a hell of a lot of that DNA floating around the USA now.

However to quote; “The test sample's Native American ancestry falls between First Nations (Canada) and Indigenous Mexican peoples, as would be expected for Native American ancestry deriving from the lower 48 states of the United States.”

There is certainly an argument from a cultural perspective about the appropriateness of Warren ticking any box claiming minority status but she is certainly within her rights to answer affirmative to the question does she have Indian heritage.

But this is about Trump's call for a DNA test and his refusal to accept its validity. He is wrong and should pay up but knowing the man's character...

US is training with Ukraine air-force and withdraws from nuke treaty. North-east Ukraine is 500kms from Moscow and losing Ukraine in a nuke strike would not worry the red-head and rednecks. But warheads pointed at Putin would make him say a few prayers. Go trumpy, get 'im boy.

Murder in a Saudi Arabian Embassy and Trump wants to keep the deal,, selling them arms
We once had a leader known as pig iron Bob
He sold Japan the stuff they made in to weapons and used against us

SR,

Clearly you have no clue about genetics.

If an Ashkenazi woman married to an Ashkenazi man has 4 sons and no daughters none of his or her grandchildren will have any of their mtDNA even with 100% Ashkenazi heritage.

That 40% of all Ashkenazi Jews carry the mtDNA of 4 ancestors from 1000yrs ago, does not imply that the other 60% were not descendents of Ashkenazi Jews from 1000yrs ago, just that those 4 women and their female descendents all had at least daughter and probably more. Which is why mtDNA can prove that you had one particular female decendent 1000 yrs ago but says absolutely nothing about the 1000 000s of others which makes it spectacularly useless in proving lineage.

Secondly, thanks for admitting that EW might very well have 1000th native Mexican or Columbian.

“People think there is a DNA test to prove you are Native American. There isn’t” -New Scientist:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129554-400-there-is-no-dna-test-to-prove-youre-native-american/

"Warren’s sample had a lot of markers that are common to European ancestry, and a few that are common to what the researchers think could be Native American ancestry. The reason Bustamante thinks Warren probably has a Native American ancestor is that some DNA segments in her sample matched with segments from people native to Mexico, Peru, and Colombia."

Dear Shadow Minister,

That gave me a chuckle.

You somehow think that repeating my point back to me makes it your point?

Now to the Business Insider piece you are quoting. Here is the link for those who like to follow these things up;

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-science-2018-10?r=US&IR=T

It really is a default setting for right-wingers on this forum not to provide links but that is another story.

This is what the writer claimed;

“The reason Bustamante thinks Warren probably has a Native American ancestor is that some DNA segments in her sample matched with segments from people native to Mexico”

Either they didn't read the paper or they have chosen to misrepresent the material. That is not what it said at all. I again reference the report;

This was derived from Fig 2 on page 5 which states “In this ancestry specific analysis..., the Native American haplotype of the test sample is displayed against a panel of Native American references from across North America. The test sample's Native American ancestry falls between First Nations (Canada) and Indigenous Mexican peoples, as would be expected for Native American ancestry deriving from the lower 48 states of the United States.”

So the report does not state Warren's sample “ matched with segments from people native to Mexico” at all. How about you go and read it for yourself. If you have already why are you passing on the opinion of someone who probably hadn't?