In the end both sides need to move towards each other to find common ground and the ability to live together, even then refugees will not en-mass be able to enter the EU, in say a twenty year time span
AID is the only antidote well used targeted and fraud free, linked to population growth

Foxy,
Interesting link but not an answer to my question. I'd hazard to guess the most troublesome migrants are from NE Africa.
This is not as straight forward an assessment as it sounds because I'm taking into account several factors but again I'm generalising so individual examples of good/bad is not an issue.
There is indoctrinated fanaticism by making false use of a faith, there is a mob mentality, there is lack of compassion, there is opportunism, there appears to be a lack of tolerating multi culturalism, there appears to be a total lack of committment of helping to better the lives of those lft behind & appreciate the host nations.
I have not seen these traits in any other nationalities of migrants because I think all other migrants come here for a better life, not drag the failures of their homelands & re-establish them here.

Tonio Lavis,
You said. And fewer opposed.

Was it not that YAM woman that did not believe the polls that showed a majority opposed muslim migration and ran her own poll. Only to find the numbers opposing muslim migration was far higher than the original poll.

I seem to recall something about that.

//You said. And fewer opposed.//

Yeah, I know.

//Was it not that YAM woman that did not believe the polls that showed a majority opposed muslim migration and ran her own poll. Only to find the numbers opposing muslim migration was far higher than the original poll.//

I have no idea, and I also have no idea why you think it's relevant. The post I responded to didn't refer to 'muslim migration', and I know I wasn't talking about it either. I don't know why you felt it necessary to stick in the word 'muslim' off your own bat.

Lots of different people migrate to Australia. Only some of them are Muslims. Scotsmen, for example, are typically not Muslim. But they make wonderful immigrants, because wherever they go they take their own culture with them and resist assimilation. The result: massed pipes and drums, if you know where to look. And the spectacle of live massed pipes and drums sends shivers down my spine. Of course, they're not the only migrant culture which has made a positive contribution to our great nation.

So in general principles, I support immigration. I also think we can could do with less immigration, because the numbers are too high, and better managed immigration which supports a wider policy of decentralisation so that our population isn't mostly crammed into our capital cities.

But I don't think that cutting immigration numbers from 'too many' to 'zero' overnight is a good idea; it needs to be done more gradually to avoid to much a sudden shock to the system. And I don't think reducing the numbers all the way to zero is a good idea. Seems to me that not letting anybody in (or out, presumably, because that would lead to population decline) is a bit of a North Korean thing to do... I'd prefer Australia not go down that road.

Toni Lavis said "But I don't think that cutting immigration numbers from 'too many' to 'zero' overnight is a good idea; it needs to be done more gradually to avoid to much a sudden shock to the system. And I don't think reducing the numbers all the way to zero is a good idea."

Answer- Yes there are too many opportunists that would be negatively impacted by demolishing the immigration system. Such as the universities, the immigration bureaus, the taxi industry, the IT industry.

Zero can be read a few different ways-
1. Zero net growth
2. Zero net immigration
3. Zero immigration

But the immigration problem needs to be viewed not in isolation but in comparison to other factors.

On balance- those that stand to be in risk of "immigration shock" "should burn" for their betrayal of the Australian people. Those that do harm need to feel pain- Pavlov's Dog.

//Zero can be read a few different ways//

F^%k me, who decided it was a good idea to let post-modernists teach maths? Sorry, Yappy Chihuahua. Zero = 0, the same way that A = A.

//Those that do harm need to feel pain- Pavlov's Dog.//

No, that's what Pavlov's experiments involved. The following summation is from a radio comedy program, and complete bollocks. But it's still a damn sight more more accurate than your 'creative' interpretation of reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDwHh6Kn8gs