Canem Malum,

As for the debt that we owe to those that took us in?

That has been paid in full - by blood, sweat, and tears,
in providing labour during times of acute labour shortages,
especially in outlying areas and rebuilding Australia's capital
structures that were to serve the nation for many decades to
come.

Plus many newcomers established building companies, new
factories, retail shops, service and repair centres and
small businesses (and large - Myers) and in all kinds of
trades. And also in the fields of the Arts (ballet),
Music, writers, artists, theatre, culture, education and
training and professions, and academia, as well as the
military forces.

There's more - but this will do for now.

Foxy some times we must just ignore it and let some comments pass, this thread one I started,, has become not just an anti Muslim one for some but an anti migration one too
IF ever we stopped migration, the world stopped migration,productivity and growth would stall
Bring about a very real recession.
The Dali Lamar, today goggle news, has told refugees to fix their own home country's,, warned Europe belongs to the Europeans.
Well for other reasons that may/will in my view happen, but we should fund that building a better life.
Worth noting this lefty thing? not really any one who cares for others is left of some posters
This much I think Trump-ism will flounder, he will fall, and those finding a demi God in him one day soon will claim they always knew he was a clown

Belly said - "IF ever we stopped migration, the world stopped migration,productivity and growth would stall. Bring about a very real recession. The Dali Lamar, today goggle news, has told refugees to fix their own home country's,, warned Europe belongs to the Europeans."

Answer- I agree that productivity and growth will stall- but this is necessary. We cannot compete with those that have higher economies of scale- but we would not want to live in countries that have this high density of population. This is a conundrum. But there are things we can do- we can move to "balance our trade" as has been done numerous times in history- we can become more self sufficient- we can control our own direction as a nation.

I have trust in the strength of the British Australian stock and those that we have chosen to share Australia with that we can survive any recession and rebuild our strength with vision and effort and create our own future. We can engage or not with the world in the way we choose.

The UN talks about peoples and cultures having "the right to self determination" some believe that this is wrong- they may have their own reasons.

Don't let them put their reasons onto you... you have a choice to protect your family and your culture or to lay down and let those that know better walk over your body.

As Belly has kindly provided "The Dalai Lama" appears to agree with me- after all he has been working to get back his home for all of his life. It has been concerning to me that I seemed to have a different view to the Dalai Lama- sometimes there are great struggles with great minds (not mine)- I put it down to the vicissitudes of the world- but it seems he has come to my view- hopefully this means there will be less pain in the world.

http://www.newsweek.com/dalai-lama-says-europe-europeans-refugees-should-go-home-and-rebuild-1120065

Dear Belly,

You're right. I know you're right.
I shouldn't let things get up my nose.
As you know
my parents arrived here as refugees in 1949
(Displaced persons). They had to work their
contracts off for two years. I was born here.
And yet some grub dares to tell me that we're
not Australians because we're not of British
Ancestry. Well - excuse me- I'm not a proctologist
but I recognise an A-hole when I see one. And I feel
obligated to respond. My mother passed away in January
of this year. Dad died of a major coronary in the 1970s
at the age of 52. He worked at a rubber-factory in
Sydney - despite being a qualified academic. So he paid
his dues well and truly. He had a hard life. But he
was independent, and never asked for anything from anybody.

And, then there's this baloney of having one foot
in another country? Hell - what other country?
Anyway, I'd better stop before I blow a fuse.

I guess to Socialists and Immigrants are going to say that the Dalai Lama is racist.

Foxy said "As you know my parents arrived here as refugees in 1949 (Displaced persons). They had to work their contracts off for two years. I was born here. And yet some grub dares to tell me that we're
not Australians because we're not of British Ancestry. Well - excuse me- I'm not a proctologist but I recognise an A-hole when I see one. And I feel obligated to respond. My mother passed away in January of this year. Dad died of a major coronary in the 1970s at the age of 52. He worked at a rubber-factory in Sydney - despite being a qualified academic. So he paid his dues well and truly. He had a hard life. But he was independent, and never asked for anything from anybody."

Answer- So it appears that Foxy believes that she has a right to be called Australian because of the suffering that her family went through and because of the investment that they have put into Australia over one generation. Good start. Now imagine the feelings of those who have many generations invested. For who many of their family members have s*itted blood going back unimaginable numbers of generations. Either way those that want to sell off Australia are disloyal. Maybe you do understand Foxy perhaps someday you will learn to be loyal. Perhaps not.