Canem Malum,

"Answer- So it appears that Foxy believes that she has a right to be called Australian because of the suffering that her family went through and because of the investment that they have put into Australia over one generation. Good start. Now imagine the feelings of those who have many generations invested. For who many of their family members have s*itted blood going back unimaginable numbers of generations. Either way those that want to sell off Australia are disloyal. Maybe you do understand Foxy perhaps someday you will learn to be loyal. Perhaps not"

One must have a conceptual problem if one imagines that there are unimaginable numbers of generations between now and 1788.

I would have no doubt of Foxy's loyalty at all, 99% of the immediate post-war migrants went on to integrate and become Australians and, often, more Australian than the Australians.

I started my working life with migrants and some of them are still my friends after over 60 years, sadly quite a few are no longer with us but where ever they came from they were Australians.

Is Mise,

Thank You for your kind words.

I wasn't aware that one's loyalty to this country and
being regarded as an Australian - was
based on how many generations of British Ancestry
one went back. I thought it was what was in one's
heart that mattered. My parents used to tell stories
about all the Lithuanians who used
to consider themselves as loyal "patriots," yet who sold
their country out to the Soviet Regime.
I wonder how many generations they back to?

BTW: -

In the book, "Lithuanian Studies in Australia," by Dr
A. P. Taskunas - we're told that "The first Lithuanians
known to come to Australia arrived in 1833..."

We're also told that - " In Lithuania...the country's
first university - the University of Vilnius - was founded
in 1579. One of its later professors, biologist Georg
Forster, had, a major link with Australia: in fact he had
accompanied Captain James Cook on his second voyage
(1772 - 1775) and was subsequently one of the first European
authors to publish papers on Australia."

Fancy that.

Why is no-one drawing attention to how to deal with the REAL problem with immigration ? The bad migrants ?

Either way those that want to sell off Australia are disloyal.

Because Indy, we need to deal with the bad locals
first - we don't want to create more problems.

// It seems to be only three or four posters that support immigration.//

And even fewer opposed.

//They seem to have one foot in Australia and one elsewhere- perhaps due to marriage or family relationship some due to ideology.//

OK, so I'm in favour of immigration. Perhaps you'd like to apply your psychic powers/poor attempt at cold reading to my specific case:

* Where is my foot which isn't in Australia?
* Is it there due to a) marriage; b) family relationship or c) ideology? If c), which particular ideology?

//They don't seem to understand that just because they may not support mass immigration//

I don't support mass immigration. You comprehend that there is a quantitative difference between 'immigration' and 'mass immigration', right?

//The descendants of British people made the cities and the infrastructure//

Bollocks.

But hey, if you want to be that parochial and narrow-minded, surely you'd have no objections to the descendants of the Irish coming along and taking back the bits of the cities and infrastructure they made, stone by stone... after all, if the British made most of the built environment it's not like there'll be any significant damaged caused by the Irish diaspora reclaiming the apparently token effort they put into making Australia great.

Or the Italians doing likewise. Or the Greeks. Or the Germans. Actually, I'm starting to question the wisdom of this idea... it's going to lead to widespread demolition.

Maybe we should just be thankful for all the hard work that a variety of nationalities have contributed to, and not go giving ourselves airs and graces because we come from British stock. After all, it's not like all the English would have contributed equally. Some of them would have been from Norfolk, for a start...

//I agree that productivity and growth will stall- but this is necessary.//

Typical hippy argument.