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Posted by Foxy, Friday, 17 August 2018 1:02:13 PM
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Foxy,
Did you actually read the speech or just rely on someone to tell you what you wanted to hear? 1) Australian Population Research Institute from 2017 found that 48% want a ban on Muslim immigration. Essential poll from this year found similar. I can't find the Monash poll you refer to so I can't advise where you ent wrong. Send a link and I'll explain it to you. 2)"That visa class was discontinued by the government last year." It was renamed but the visa remains and is still colloquially referred to as 457. 3)Mr Anning claimed that Australia's immigration policies were set "on a whim." . IF you get around to reading the speech you'll see the comment in full makes sense. Taking one phrase out of context simply indicates a desire to find fault where none exists. 4)" Mr Anning made remarks about the Bourke Street..." Bourke st is NOT mentioned in the speech. 5)"No available crime data supports this assertion." Therefore no data can refute the claim either. If governments decide to hide inconvenient facts by simply refusing to collect the data, inevitably people will make guesses based on less reliable data. 6)"Mr Anning made the assertion that most of the people referred to as being part of the "African gangs" are Muslim. " NUP. He referred to "African Muslim gangs" but that doesn't mean that other gangs aren't muslim. 7) As per 6 above. 8) "Final solution" is just a phrase used in many contexts apart from the Nazi context. See my earlier post. People insisting it hides Nazi tendencies are simply trying to howl down dissent by finding racism where none exists. Its always best to go to the source, Foxy, rather than relying on some partisan to lead you down the garden path. Posted by mhaze, Friday, 17 August 2018 1:59:01 PM
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As someone might have said; "It is the religion stupid !"
Ask any muslim if they obey the Koran's assertions as to how to treat the nonbelievers. They will never deny these passages from the Koran. They are the word of Allah and must be obeyed. It is blasphemy to say otherwise. The punishment for blasphemy is death. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (2:191) Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax. (9:29) Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. (4:89) NB 4:89 is why they live in ghettos, so as to avoid assimilation. Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars. 9:107 NB irony here, there is a clause that allows them to swear false oaths in our courts if it advantages a muslim. So why do our courts allow swearing oaths on the Koran ? All this goes on and on as a religious support to oppose our customs and laws. Anyone who affirms to be a muslim cannot be an Australian. If they are born here they are committed to betray the country. They are committed to introduce Sharia Law to Australia. In Britain the courts have recognised sharia law in family cases. This what it is all about. Posted by Bazz, Friday, 17 August 2018 3:09:28 PM
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We wander is strange fields talking about ten percent of Muslims in the west, any care to name just one western country with that number? tell me what percentage we have here,, take it for granted you know Chinese are by far our biggest number of migrants,,? no? never knew that? maybe we should start hating them then, while in a majority here thankfully we the day before yesterday as a nation said no to Fraser Anning and all he stands for
Posted by Belly, Friday, 17 August 2018 3:19:27 PM
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mhaze,
The following link is a fact-check testing of some of the claims in Fraser Anning's first speech to Parliament. There are other links on this subject on the web that you can also access. I am not in the habit of choosing links that agree with my point of view (occupational habit to remain objective) - and in this case especially I was merely interested in the accuracy of the Senator's claims. Here's the link: http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fact-check-testing-the-claims-in-fraser-anning-s-first-speech-to-parliament-20180815-p4zxpf.html Posted by Foxy, Friday, 17 August 2018 3:28:53 PM
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Sanjeev Sabhlok came to Australia from India 18 years ago. He believes that Senator Anning’s concerns (albeit “ill-articulated”) were a “fight for Australia’s soul”. Sanjeev had a position in government, but decided to get away from Indian corruption and come to Australia, a country he saw as largely adhering to the principles of law and liberty, and the mores of Western civilization.
But, Sanjeev is aware of Australia's “drift to the left”; white leftists are “rapidly eroding” the very things that attracted him to Australia in the first place. His concerns are similar to those of Fraser Anning, but he notes that some confusion in his maiden speech have “ made the media lose the bigger picture”, which was the “defence of Western civilisation”. Sanjeev opines that the media’s inability to understand the difference between Anning’s call for a plebiscite on immigration, and the absurd idea that he was calling for extermination of certain people, means that ".....something has gone seriously wrong with basic English education in this country.” He points to the opinions of more sophisticated commentators, such as Paul Kelly, who concerned about Muslim immigration and lack of assimilation just as Fraser Anning is. Sanjeev writes that it is “high time for all Australians to unite to defend its core foundations of liberty and democracy”, and, Anning is right to “....raise the impending loss of Australia's soul”. So, all you lefty self-haters and detractors of your fellow Australians and Western culture, not all non-white immigrants from non-Western cultures appreciate your assumptions that you are doing them a 'good turn’; in fact, you need to try to put aside your arrogance and find out if ANY of them like your absurd posturing and behaviour bordering on treason. Sanjeev also objects to the leftist multiculturalism policies which are creating ghettos in Australia. Posted by ttbn, Friday, 17 August 2018 4:35:44 PM
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In answer to Big Nana's question - of naming one country?
What about Jordan.
Does it qualify?
We have to acknowledge the fact that Islam is one of the
world's major religions and claims the allegiance of a
fifth of the entire human population. Although Westerners
often think of Islam as an Arab religion, most Muslims
are not Arabs. The largest Muslim populations are in
Indonesia, India, China, and even the Soviet Union.
Islam is the second-largest faith in Europe after
Christianity and it competes with Christianity in many
Black African countries.
Blaming all of our problems on Muslims?
I have a question - If every single Muslim were all sent
back, if we got rid of every one of them, every man,
woman and child - would any of this speed up the two-hour
drive on choked roads that we take to and from work, boost
the numbers of nurses and doctors in our public hospitals,
make our education system any better, or increase wages,
the dole, or our pension payments?