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Someone Had to Say It !

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Dear Big Nana,

I know what you asked for however, I thought it interesting
that Jordan contains some of the oldest Christian
Communities in the world (Wikipedia) - Christians having
resided in Jordan after the crucifiction of Christ in the 1st
century AD. Thousands of Western Iraqi and Syrians are now
happily residing in Jordan. And all this in a Muslim country.
A big difference from what's going on in Israel.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 17 August 2018 5:38:46 PM
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mhaze,

Neither will it stop you from nit-picking so I'd
say we're even - you charming old coot!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 17 August 2018 5:41:56 PM
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Well not much has been said about the percentage of Muslims in this country in truth that number dare not see the light of day here it is far less than 3 percent,lets just say we shut the gate, every western country shuts its doors Trump like, to Muslims, what do we do about those already here?in hating, blindly, Muslims do we understand once, like Greece, they contributed a great deal to mankind?they did you know, if we are very very brave, if we see evolution not divine intervention gave us breath, we could instantly kill most of this worlds needless hate
Posted by Belly, Friday, 17 August 2018 5:50:02 PM
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//He put two words together that had a specific meaning at a specific time in a specific place but which have other means at other times in other places.//

Yes, language is a funny beast and context is definitely important. I mean, take the c-word for example. Not a word that bothers me particularly, and one that is fine in, say, the context of me and my mates having a yarn down the pub. But even given my natural tendency to swear like a Dutch stevedore, I'd have been a little taken aback if Mr. 19 Votes had started dropping c-bombs in his speech.

Even though he clearly thinks that Muslims are c^%ts and he'd have been honestly and directly expressing his views, there'd have been outrage, led by the very people who are currently defending his right to free speech. It's a funny old world.

Context matters: the phrase 'final solution' was quite innocuous right up until the point that it was discovered that the Nazis used it as a polite little euphemism for horrific genocide. And after that, I'm afraid, it became somewhat tarnished.

And I suppose even in 2018 it's okay to use in certain contexts. For example, if you're diluting a highly concentrated chemical solution it's not uncommon to perform a serial dilution involving a series of increasingly dilute solutions until you reach the 'final solution' at the desired concentration. But then again, you could just as easily call it the 'last solution'. Or you can just number them (definitely the easiest option). There are many options to choose from. As long as you get the right result, it doesn't really matter.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 17 August 2018 7:00:56 PM
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That's the interesting thing about the English language. We have these things called 'synonyms'. By cleverly substituting a synonym for 'final' (last and ultimate spring to mind) into his speech he could have expressed the same meaning with different words, thereby avoiding the existing connotations attached to the loaded phrase 'final solution'. But he chose not to do that.

I mean, if he'd just got up and called Muslim's c&^ts I wouldn't exactly have applauded, but I'd have been less offended by that. At least that's just putting sh!t on Muslims, not dredging up the spectre of the Shoah. For no damn reason at all except so that people would look at him, like a child throwing a tantrum. Pathetic.

A line between 'within the pale' and 'beyond the pale' must be delineated somewhere. When people start employing Nazi propaganda and then when pulled up on it going 'hey, relax buddy, it's fine'... that line has been crossed.

It's not OK, mhaze. And none of your fancy words and clever jibes, witty though they may be, will make it OK. 6 x 10^6 people, mate. That's a whole lot of not OK you've got to outweigh, and your words aren't good enough. Nobody's words are good enough to counterbalance that much not OK.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 17 August 2018 7:01:30 PM
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//Can anyone name a majority Judeao/ Christian country that has a population of 10% or more Muslims that is safe, cohesive and economically sound?//

I'll give it a crack if anybody can name a majority 'Judeao/ Christian' country with a population of 10% or more Muslims. Because I can't think of any, although I presume you've got some corrupt/war-ravaged/former Soviet-bloc/impoverished (circle as appropriate, more than one option may be circled) hellhole to surprise us with
Posted by Toni Lavis, Friday, 17 August 2018 7:16:29 PM
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