To David F.

Don't try to con me on your feeling of me. I know you don't think I'm sincere or anything else that has a positive attribute. So with respect, cut the BS. Since we've met in these forums, on every conversation I've been in, even ones that have nothing to do with religion, you have tried to shove your views against Christianity down my throat. Trolling me would not be an exaggeration. Conversely, though I've started one conversation to teach a belief, I haven't followed anyone around to repent or go to hell. As far as I'm aware I can talk about multiple subjects without it being reduced to coming back to insults. You on the other hand start out with insults in some of the other conversations. Baring your teeth from the get go in new or old styles of animosity to me or my faith. (Again even when the conversation has nothing to do with my faith or my religion).

If your criticism is for me to not shove my beliefs down your throat, then my reply is two parts. 1) live by your own standards. Don't expect others to act on standards that you don't even try to live up to yourself. 2) Am I allowed to even talk about my faith? If not then it's not about shoving my thoughts down your throat but your attempts to oppress Christians from expressing their beliefs.

On the other hand, going back to a previous point you said, I'm free to believe what I want. In reply I ask am I really free to do so!?

Dear Not_Now.Soon,

You have every reason to be upset with David.

So long as he only criticised your views, your faith or your actions, oh well, this is what this forum is about.

But in his last post, David has crossed a red line by attempting to criticise YOU, falsely claiming that YOU are just an object, specifically a human ("You are a human being as I am.").

Both humans and donkeys are made of essentially the same: bones, flesh and blood, etc. Neither has any value beyond the utilitarian value they possibly happen to have for others, who might use them at pleasure, work them to death, then maybe do something useful with their remains: saying "You are a human" is no different in essence than saying "You are a donkey".

You are not an object! While at present you are using an object, i.e. a human body, to interact with the world and express yourself, this is not you, just a tool that you currently use. We are already suffering enough due to this delusion of identifying ourselves with those human bodies - no need for someone else to come along and try to reinforce and further deepen that delusion in us.

You need not put up with this and you should not discuss anything else with David until he apologises for this grave insult.

Dear NNS,

I am not trying to con you. I think you sincerely believe in your silly, stupid version of Christianity with its hell and its restrictions on sex. Sincerity in itself is not deserving of respect. Just because you are sincere does not mean you are reasonable or right.

Not all Christians believe in hell or have Puritanical attitudes. Catholics such as Hans Kung and Protestants such as Bishop Spong are also sincere Christians, but they do not have your attitudes. I have respect for their version of Christianity. Some Christians have respect for other religions or even for other people who do not believe in religion at all. You only represent a narrow fundamentalism. Fundamentalists are not restricted to Christianity. I find fundamentalism or intolerance unpalatable wherever it appears.

You are free to believe anything you like. However, beliefs can translate themselves into action. Your beliefs about abortion translated into action will bring back the backyard butcher whether you want it or not. In my opinion a world where your beliefs were translated into action would be a worse world than the one we have. Many people including Christians have a more tolerant, open view than you have. "The Scarlet Letter" by Nathaniel Hawthorne describes the world that would result from the adoption of your beliefs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Letter

In Australia that world is a world of the past.

To David F.

Three points.

1). You don't have a good grasp of my beliefs or my attitudes. However in your lack of understanding you opportunistically fill in the gaps yourself to turn your ignorance into a running theory that keeps going until it's corrected. With this in mind I ask you to stop reaching past what you don't know. Your not that good at these kinds of conclusions, and it harms the current conversations being discussed to interrupt the subject matter to correct you. Just stop because you aren't good at it. At the very least, that would be more sincere.

2). Based on our conversations in the past I have to now act on the assumption that if you don't reply to a point it means you didn't see it. (Or actively ignored it). So with this in mind the point is worth repeating.

If your criticism is for me to not shove my beliefs down your throat, then my reply is two parts. 1) live by your own standards. Don't expect others to act on standards that you don't even try to live up to yourself. 2) Am I allowed to even talk about my faith? If not then it's not about shoving my thoughts down your throat but your attempts to oppress Christians from expressing their beliefs.

3). Of course our beliefs should affect our actions. If it doesn't then that shows that we didn't actually believe it to begin with. This is not a conversation about abortion, but your stance on that shows your true meaning. People are not free to believe what they want. Your attitudes on free thought is much more oppressive then I think you realize. And that line of thought is in line with this conversation topic of diversity and religion. (Even though abortion isn't on topic. Try to fight that battle in that other discussion, here is a different subject matter).

Dear NNS,

I gather that you're a bit upset when others don't see matters the way you would like them to. I feel the same way.

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