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Refugees and Migration 50 years in to the Future

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Dear Hassie,

I don't think that I've said anything radical.
Just merely stating things as I see them.
We do have the means to ensure that we have
not only a country but a world within which
we can all have a reasonable life (if there aren't
too many of us). We cannot ignore the poverty in
this world. Therefore we have to put aside our narrow
self-interests and try to work together as friends
with our neighbours, if there is to be a world for those
humans and animals who follow us.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 15 July 2018 6:32:16 PM
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No Western country, including Australia, has any obligation to bail out dysfunctional citizens from, or remaining in, dysfunctional countries. It wasn't luck that got us where we are. We are different from these dysfunctional societies because of our work ethic, Judeo-Christian values and traditions, the rule of law and respect for private property. The 'rest' could have imitated the West anytime over the last 200 or 300 hundred years. The British colonisation of countries that made up the Empire had more chance than those not in the Empire. But, after the Empire ceased to be, most of those too relapsed into tribal politics and ways of doing things. Apart from India, they are all on the bones of their arses along with the rest of the non-West. Stiff cheese. It's their own fault, not ours.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 15 July 2018 7:20:27 PM
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Actually, many of those countries, especially the
war-torn ones are in trouble because of our involvement
in their affairs - supporting our allies like the US in
Iraq and elsewhere for example.

However one of the positive things going our way is that
we have broken ground with world leaders who today are
taking notice of a vast army of experts who are willing
and able to guide us through the coming difficult years.
A better world is possible. It will take effort. It will
be difficult. But it will be worth it.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 15 July 2018 7:42:40 PM
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Foxy What drug are you on with this statement "taking notice of a vast army of experts who are willing and able to guide us through the coming difficult years."

Name one just one of these so called experts and exactly where are they?

The problems have been around for years, where have your experts been, how did they only supposedly work out how to fix the problem now?
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 15 July 2018 11:18:14 PM
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Foxy said- "We do have the means to ensure that we have
not only a country but a world within which
we can all have a reasonable life (if there aren't
too many of us). We cannot ignore the poverty in
this world. Therefore we have to put aside our narrow
self-interests and try to work together as friends
with our neighbours, if there is to be a world for those
humans and animals who follow us."

Answer- The western world can't fix all the problems of the world. Enlightened self interest rather than narrow self interest. There are too many people in many of these countries- the best way to reduce the problems is for them to reduce their populations. Australia has done its fair share- we made a mistake trying to help and have hurt ourselves- we have tried helping militarily through international efforts and through massive immigration- now we will have to fix the problems we've created- the UN including ICCPR, refugees, etc is empirically invalid. Sometimes the only way to ensure peace is for both sides to stay on their own side of the fence- keep your hands to yourselves.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 16 July 2018 12:41:04 AM
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The modern Australia:
Just wondering if anyone can can help me out here;
Upon being born, I'm supposed to feel guilty for being a male;
But I'm also supposed to feel guilty for being white.
Which takes precedence?

Also apparently I'm a rapist, and a moron and a pig and a mysogynist and a bigot.
And I'm a racist because I oppose Australia becoming a Muslim enclave
I'm intolerant and a xenophobe, because I don't like schools teaching oral and anal to 4th graders;
I'm a right wing conspiracy theorist and a danger to society because I question the safety of vaccines and don't think highly of GMO and think the corpoate media is mostly narrative and half truths (If you're lucky)
I'm a vicious anti-Semite because I criticise Israeli treatment of others and their hypocrisy.

And finally being Australian now has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with actually being born here.
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/australian-resident-number-25-million-due-next-month-20180709-p4zqb5.html
- And I could a all fairness find links for all the other dumb stuff I mentioned too.

OMG our society is so friggin stupid.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 16 July 2018 12:41:53 AM
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