O sung wu, Is Mise

Drilling down into that ABC reference -

Increase in guns less than population growth - per capita gun ownership down 23%.
proportion of householders owning guns fell by 75%
People who already owned guns bought more – leakage from these enter the illicit market.

Since the population has grown from around 18 million to 24 million that's a 33% increase, it still supports the basic theory that less guns, (I'll add per capita here), means less deaths. That shows that the law changes worked. Criminality is a reality. To expect laws that are made to make society a safer place to be perfect imho is setting the bar too high. That's why I think there will always be illicit guns. But if we can minimise the access to the avenues from whence they come, it will assist those tackling the impacts of gun crime.

Hi there UNRAVEL...

You're of course right. The importation of illicit F/A's will continue, with a greater emphases on 'bespoke' weapons. That is to say, high demand weapons capable of full rock n' roll, together with modern, reliable pistols, like;Ruger, H & K, Glock, Sig, Colt, S & W to name just a few.

This particular market is albeit totally controlled by the Outlaw Motor Cycle Gangs. As such, a very difficult group in which to, interact and penetrate. With their gang tentacles spread far and wide, both in Europe and the United States. Notwithstanding their rough appearance, and dangerous criminal links, they're a well organised and very well run group of 'businesses', with responsibility of each 'business' left with each Chapter, and overseen by that Chapter's 'President'.

The Local Chapter of say, the 'Overlords' might have responsibility for all cocaine distribution for their 'precise' area? So they'll rarely become involved in say, heroine or illicit guns. To become involved in something altogether different, creates a dangerous climate of disharmony, between the other Chapters of the Bikie Gangs, thus a gang war might well erupt, similar to that which we saw at Sydneys Kingsford Smith Airport, some years ago now. Hope this explains how they manage their affairs UNRAVEL.

Mentally insecure people apply for guns. Probably they feel insecure because of their apprehension due to crimes already committed.A honest person will not think of a gun for his protection.Leaving the psychology aside, guns should not be provided to any civilian however big. Weapons are only for military personnel. Only brutes and cowards use weapons to take revenge. Gun licence only will increase crimes in the society.It is a tragedy that Cinema promotes gun culture. Cinema should be censored not to entertain shooting scenes. Violence starts from cinema. Children are fooled to think that possessing a gun is a must for personal protection as shown in cinemas. Heroes wielding guns to kill his opponents greatly affect the mind of children.

unravel,

The USA has more guns than any other country in the world and more gun owners yet its violent crime rate is low by world standards.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

The USA ranks 99th for murder so, the inescapable conclusion is that more guns mean a safer place.

However, let's look at the United Kingdom, which has fewer guns than Australia but ranks 157th to our 164th.

So do fewer guns mean less crime or do more guns mean less crime?

" Gun licence only will increase crimes in the society"

Bakwas!!

Is Mise

…...................The USA ranks 99th for murder so, the inescapable conclusion is that more guns mean a safer place.

However, let's look at the United Kingdom, which has fewer guns than Australia but ranks 157th to our 164th.

So do fewer guns mean less crime or do more guns mean less crime?............................

I think you are making the point that the first two sentences are contradictory, therefore the double-barrelled question can be answered yes or no for each part of it.

From which I deduce that you are saying that you cannot simply compare gun statistics across countries.

Before I continue is that gist of the point your post is making?