G'day there UNRAVEL...

You're right to a certain extent, tighter gun control both on the type and style of F/A, and the individual himself, has certainly reduced the type of crimes occasioned by Messrs BRYANT & KNIGHT. That said, if some 'intellectual pygmy' wished to massacre a group of people, it wouldn't be all that difficult.

The notion that, the HOWARD initiated gun controls have worked, is only partly correct, they've worked quite well, on licit weapons NOT on illicit weapons. It's all very nice for the coppers to know who's licensed and who's not, and who possess what F/A?

Unfortunately it's the illicit market that worries the coppers, even with good 'intel' and 'product' it's very hard to 'guesstimate' what, and how many illegal F/A's are in the community. And that doesn't account for the guns that were hidden away, prior to HOWARDS laws coming into effect. Firearms and firearm laws are a very difficult question for the authorities to embrace.

unravel,

"Comparing gun statistics in other countries is relevant. Simple logic, you reduce the number of guns, you reduce the number available to “crazies”, you reduce the number of people they kill. The changes in our laws back that up. Or spin the logic, in simple English it shows that when you have more guns you have more “crazies”, so you need more guns to protect yourself, which then means there's more guns for the “crazies” to get hold of and on and on and on."

Then, as there are now more guns in Australia than pre the Howard laws, how do you account for the drop in firearms deaths?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-28/australia-has-more-guns-than-before-port-arthur-massacre/7366360

New South Wales gunnie, Keith Goodbun has been sentenced to a minimum 31 years jail for shooting dead his estranged wife Molly in her Maitland home with a Winchester .22 calibre bolt action rifle. Goodbun held a gun licence for his so called toy. Like the murderous Ian Turnbull who also held a gun licence when he shot dead environmental officer Glen Turner, or the gun licensed Peter Miles who shot dead his wife Cynda, daughter Katrina and four grandchildren at Margaret River. The above are described by some here as good law abiding citizens when they make their blanket claim that licensed gun owners are nothing but good folks, being unfairly targeted!

My ideal pacifist position on guns is zero guns in society, that goes for all guns. My compromise position is, I recognise that it is some what necessity for some to have guns, police officers, the military, some professional people. However I don't see the need for "amateur" people to have guns to play with, hunters, target shooters, etc. Maybe if they can't live without shooting something, there could be amusement parks set up where they could take out their frustrations on toy like targets, example; those tin ducks people shoot at Luna Park.

Issy, would you be happy shooting tin ducks at Luna Park?

Getting desperate now, Paul?

Issy, I take it you agree with the above. However, just a bit of a warning; I have long suspected those "Carny" people bend the barrel slightly on their pea shooters, so you wont hit too many ducks, and thus no 'Cupie Doll' for you. As a pacifists, I prefer putting balls in the clowns mouth myself (you can read something into that). What about you?

It is a crime if psychopaths sociopaths and narcissist get any sort of weapon let alone a gun.

As 98% of violent crime is because of drug abuse or the lack of medicinal drugs. As laws are there to protect the innocent it is bias privilege within wealth and towards people in positions of authority when it should be the other way round.

Just as if your kids vandalize or damage another or there belongings the parents are punished. Why is this not implemented upon the so called elite positions of authority?

As media vilification is segregated bias brain washing for the masses that continue to believe it. Or to finally realize that these ongoing issues are leading us down the garden path to become as stupid as Americans.