I read an article in the courier mail recently whereby the mining bosses have all but thrown in the towel suggesting the greens have all but made it impossible to keep going profitably.

While many sit there and say, the mines have not closed, so what's the problem. What they don't realize is that mining is often 10, 20 even 40 years in the planning. Let's face it, how confident would you be of prospecting ATM knowing there is a big chance you won't be able to extract your treasures when the time comes.

Very very damaging for our future.

So while I admire your commitment to more jobs, the reality is we are heading towards far fewer jobs meaning only the highly skilled will have jobs.

If you know how I can be different please let me know because I just can't see where future jobs are gong to come from. Even garages are encouraging customers to pay at the bowser so as to do away with staff.

Sorry, but I fear we have gone beyond the point of return on the slippery slop mate.

Go the maroons lol.

I have a quiet chuckle watching the local socialists and kin going through the "self-serve" checkouts at Coles and Woolworths; they are effectively doing someone out of a job on a normal checkout.

Doing work for nothing and destroying a job is akin to scabbing.

Is Miss, there is another side to that as well. I have a mate who refuses to use self serve unless they pay him to do so, because as he rightly says, wage costs are already built in to the sell price, meaning those who self check out are effectively working for nothing. He stands here and demands they open a check out, and they do.

So back to pay at the bowser.

This is the uber of the fuel industry whereby the fuel companies who own the sites are effectively taking the right to earn profits from the franchisees as the profit margin in a can of drink would be higher than what is made from the tank of fuel.

Again, this is an action that will trigger a reaction, as just like news agents, where one had to wait for someone to die to get one are now worthless, garages, where leases can be worth millions, face the prospect of being little more than somewhere for an observer come roust about to hang out. Of cause the 'reaction' will be hundreds of lost jobs.

While this is a thread about creating jobs for all, the reality is, we should be very worried about how we can save the jobs we already have because we are headed south in a very very big way.

Part time, if you're lucky, casual and contracts are here to stay and I doubt any amount of union advertising is going to change that.

It's a new world and the only way to save it is to reduce our lifestyles and put an immediate stop to immigration, of all kind initially.

And remember, those who make the decisions are not effected by them.

I am having trouble here in making my thoughts clear,it was never my intention to talk of current industrial relations/union v bosses, or even existing jobs, I am thinking of very real reforms, in welfare, job creation instead of receiving that, and creating better out comes for the community from those jobs,if created those jobs should never ever be in competition with existing ones,exceptions for small country towns, that have few jobs now,we seem to have trouble thinking 50/80/or even 200 years ahead, as jobs shrink better ways can be found surely

Australians - employees, employers, unions and politicians - have all been too greedy: we want money, gimme, gimme. Well, folks, you've stuffed it. What happened after the war was an aberration; it's over. Too many people, too few jobs, too much debt. Add multiculturalism, mass immigration of unsuitable people, diversity, poor education and the idea that same sex people can be married, that women can be warriors like Boudica - who had the crap beaten out of her by the Romans by the way, and we are doomed.

Speaking of Romans: all of us should be aware that the Romans - the greatest empire ever - fizzled out altogether for carrying on in the same way the West is carrying on now.

Go coal, that will create jobs.