To Bush Bunny. One of the great themes in the bible is repentance and reconciliation. It's true that God does deal justice in the world. Some of it fits the kind of "you rep what you sow" kind of attitude that perspectives on karma seem to focus on. But there is also the element of turning from your sins, and being reconciled. This is another element of God that is outside of the aspects of a natural justice, and a balance of our lives.

Instead of seeking to be treated fairly, Jesus gives a teaching to love your neighbor, even to love your enemy; while also giving the warning that if they follow Jesus they will be hated by the world, because of their following Jesus. It is in this sense that gives the devote a difficult situation. Not to seek justice and fairness, but to take on the burdens given to us, and hand out kindness, and generosity in it's place.

That's the kind of element that I see when I consider God. Someone who wants us to be close to Him and to love one another. And in order to do this He is willing to take on the burden of our lives and even pay our debts for us. His standards are high and His level of Justice is too. But greater then both is His love. That's my understanding anyways, and one of the ways to look at why Jesus came to the cross.

I don't like being ignored NNS... Do unto others...lmao

I read your stuff NNS... I laugh a it but I read it... Do unto others...lmao

It's the greatest teaching ever so you say... Why don't you apply it to yourself?

I think another good teaching is "practice what you preach"... Try it sometime instead of giving it lip service......lmao

Your lectures are hollow!

The lack of perspective with people like NNS and Josephus is a very good indicator as to why believers get everything wrong.

In the end, despite all evidence shown they just believe. Believers always show how, in the end, there is no real depth to their studies or their belief.

What they will not acknowledge because of their poor study methods is that the religions and the religious manipulate everything. Afterall the religions are in it for the money.

So how many times have organisations changed the wording of the ancient Hebrew or Greek? Heaps of times is the answer.

I showed this loud example.

Douay-Rheims - Catholic Bible

2Samuel 12:31 And bringing forth the people thereof he sawed them, and drove over them chariots armed with iron: and divided them with knives, and made them pass through brickkilns: so did he to all the cities of the children of Ammon: and David returned, with all the army to Jerusalem.

Catholic Online Bible

2Samuel 12:31 And he expelled its inhabitants, setting them to work with saws, iron picks and iron axes, employing them at brickmaking. He treated all the Ammonite towns in the same way. David and the whole army returned to Jerusalem.

Compare the two!

If people can't see the manipulation here they never will.

As I stated it is where they forget to change which in future will be the only proof of the manipulation. It's not just the Catholics doing this but all religions.

There is an old saying "Never give a religious book to a believer becasue they will change the words to suit their beliefs".

Proper students will study the manuscripts as is and never think about changing anything.

Funny that! Once again the people who claim to be honest the loudest are only shouting that to cover the dishonesty...lmao

David's holocaust was real and it was probably changed after Hitler's holocaust to hide the similarities. SHAMEFUL STUFF!

But Christians are honest...They follow Jesus...Yeah right!...lmao

Opine 2, I am getting a bit irritated by you forever critising the bible and people's interpretation of it.

To be quite candid, Jesus was a Jew, died a Jew, and was more interested in quelling discontent. He was not a descendant of King David of the old testament, he was not born in Bethlehem, and the Jews themselves saw him as a rebel, and the Romans were also worried that he was considered the King of the Jews. When Herod was of course, and lived mainly to keep his kingdom without Roman conquest or retaliation. Jesus was a Nazareen.

Several decades after his death, or execution, presuming he did indeed die, but his spirit still influences people today. So in a way St.Paul tried to get the gentiles to follow the established Jewish faith, now the Christian Jews, by saying they did not have to be circumsized. Well that was quite a good political ploy wasn't it.

I have said before it is the singer not the song. But when the great schism appeared, between the orthodox Christians (Greek and Russian) and the Western beliefs started by Constantine 1, the song so to speak has been literally subject to reinterpretation depending on whom sings it.

However, Roman Catholics would not relinquish their faith in the Pope, and we know Henry VIII declared he was head of the Church in England, but remained at heart a catholic, now of course the Anglican church of England. Read your history, he was more concerned in getting a male heir. And was excommunicated, and left his country in religious turmoil for centuries. Exiled the Jews though, from whom he got money.

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Josephus and NNS, who says Opine2 is a man? Do you think only males can dictate religious views or not. I am female and a wise one who has traveled and lived in different cultures.

Religious beliefs and the afterlife didn't start with the Egyptians. People were honoring and burying the dead thousands of years before. Maybe not with valuable grave goods like the Nobles or Kings. But around 250,000 years old a grave was discovered of an archaic human, who was quite young, and had a withered arm. His grave was covered in flowers and sea shells I believe. Humans were in a hunter and gatherer stage, so a withered arm which was believed to be genetic, not by damage after birth, would not have been too good at hunting.

We can't (archaeologists and palaeoanthropologists) see this as evidence of their belief in an afterlife, but it does show they were capable of abstract thought. .

To earn grace and an awareness of what is right or wrong, depends on cultural values. Our civil laws in many cases dictate this to us, not religious lore and doctrine.

Now if you are a disturbed or mentally defective or disadvantaged one will naturally be at a level of consciousness that tells you to survive as well as you can. This will develop an opportunistic and probably predatory existence. Religious beliefs, whatever they are, can help these people and does. I just don't believe in the bible punching evangelists who put themselves on a pedestal for so preaching Gods or Jesus doctrines using the Holy Bible as their unshakeable belief in its literal translation. Metaphoric of course and related to modern day cultures not ancient superstitious nonsense and values.

Anyway I am going to watch the Royal Wedding on TV. I have always like Prince Harry and Megan well mixed race eh, great.

To be quite candid...I don't care if you like it or not BB. Wasn't it you as a historian who suggested we not refer to the old testament? Great advice limiting history so easily.

So don't you think others should be shown where religions have changed the actual words thereby changing the histories completely? You don't sound on the ball...sorry.

Let's change the words to the Magna Carta and only report on half of it so that your values can be achieved.

Do you not think I know much more than I type here...Gee Jesus was a Jew... Thanks for the info.

Josephus is a supposed Bible scholar and I have shown how little he knows. People who claim learning are trusted when they shouldn't be. Their information should be questioned the same as all information.

Sorry that you don't understand that methodology...It's called the scientific method and checking of evidence and facts.

That's why Josephus can't win...I know more than him!

I know the history..so you read your history.

My methodology works because I show exact Chapter and verse where these people are lying.

For an historian you sure have some strange ideas when it comes to religious discussions.

I have my methods and you have yours...Mine work! These believers don't care about history as an explanation. They need to see where the Bible is crap.

So I'll just keep using my method so that people can actually see the crap documented...

But thanks for your opinion...lmao

Should I stop quoting Jesus and showing the errors that he made now as your next piece of crazy advice?

Enjoy the wedding...I can't stand the Royals so I won't lower my standards for such rubbish...lmao