There are plenty of DVDs out about the history of Christianity. One I liked was I think, the history of the Bible, from different religious points of views. There seems to be some disagreement that Mica's prediction that a Messiah came from King Davids line was adjusted to have Jesus born in Bethlehem. He wasn't at the time, Nazareth was not under Roman rule. Why would Joseph taken a heavily pregnant wife over desert to Bethlehem. To attend a census? There is no record of a census in Roman chronicles. What is mentioned that Pontius Pilate was recalled to Rome and told off for killing an innocent man, because it caused more strife and risings among the Jews. Why? John the Baptist, was under Herod's domain. He was baptizing Jews as is the custom to wipe away sins. Not original sin, that's St.Paul's notion. I suppose this can be the Garden of Eden thing, and the apple, which was a Jewish story. Paul was a Jew and Roman citizen, sent to hunt out Jesus' disciples, when he had an epiphany on the way to Damascus.

We would not have had a Christian sect of the Jews, if it wasn't for St.Paul. I do think that most religious doctrines evolve depending on the change in social/economical and political climates. Most countries, accept Saudi Arabia, separate religion from state laws and constitutions. When in America they have freedom of religion that gives license to anyone like Ron L.Hubbard to make their own religions up, or madness of megalomaniacs who believe they are divine. Like David Koresh of the Davidians. The Mormons, and SD Adventist that have their Sabbath on a Saturday not Sunday.

I believe in natural justice and balance in life. Maybe that is God. They have found the God particle in Particle Physics. I am not sure I totally believe in the 'Butterfly' effect, but every action does have a reaction. Maybe this subatomic particle holds us all and the cosmos together, and one action actually does set off another, like a domino effect. Who knows?

NNS You sound like a school kid and I really don't care whether you read my posts or not. OUCH! My life is destroyed NNS doesn't like me...lmao

It was others who referred to my experience as amazing and I was quoting them. Calling it unique means that I am the only person to have had that experience and your base sample is 1..me. I explained that to you, but you just obviously don't understand YOU can't call my experience unique, just because you have never heard of that experience before.

Christians change words all the time as proven above with the Catholics and David's holocaust.

I post Chapter and Verse from the Bible every time to prove you people wrong. Sorry for being accurate. You just give your opinions and they don't count much to me or anyone else who thinks things through..

I'd post the exact ancient Hebrew and Ancient Greek to prove my points even more but this site only allows English.

You simply can't ignore the Bible atrocities and pretend they aren't in there.

Moses cut off heads and lied by adding "The Lord said" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#254372

David had a holocaust http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181&page=0

David used to make 3 lines of the vanquished killing 2 lines and making the third line Israelite slaves http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#255829

Yet supposedly his heart was PERFECT in the eyes of God. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#256697

David was a murderous adulterer... so God used David's wives by making them sleep with an other man forcing them into adultery...Do you really believe God would do this? http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#255722

It is simply absurdity upon absurdity that God would approve of such horrific atrocities, and if people believe in the Trinity then Jesus is OK with it as well. It simply makes Jesus' ministry a lie!

You believers are free to believe all these horrid lies documented from the Bible against GOD...It proves that you are crazy and antiGod and antiChrist...

And you thought non-believers had it wrong...lmao

I( post for all toi be educated but if you choose not to read my posts and links feel free to stay ignorant and anti-God.

So that Christians can't use the pathetic...."Oh that's OT stuff"...remember what Jesus said...

Matthew 5:17-20 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness SHALL EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As you all follow Pharisaical religions taken from Paul the oppressing Pharisee's teachings and you have proven you don't have the faith of a mustard seed then I guess your hopes for heaven are shot...OUCH! Sorry to tell you!

So at least you will have an afterlife... In your belief you will be rotting in the sulfur lakes of hell....lmao

The greatest antiChrist teachings of Paul were

1. His oppression of women... Pharisaical to the core

AND

2. Paul's false teachings against Jesus' prodigal son teaching.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM UNTO REPENTENCE; SEEING THEY CRUCIFY THEMSELVES THE SON OF GOD AFRESH, AND PUT HIM TO OPEN SHAME.

AND

3. Claiming his teachings were commandments - 1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that THE THINGS THAT I WRITE TO YOU ARE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD.”

And you guys fell for these Paulian lies...lmao

Never mind, the hell you believe in is always lovely and warm...lmao

Belief in an after-life is as old as the pyramids of Egypt but only for the ruling class. That people desire a life beyond the grave is not only Christian, it is widely held belief. that atheist zealously want to destroy the hope of those that do believe is beyond reason. The fact is a positive attitude to life and its influences beyond the persons life are real. Negative people contribute nothing to society, people with positive hope of a better life is a healthy outcome for society and how they face bad times. Atheists are not as zealous about attacking the aboriginal dreaming. Dreams have a healthy effect on the psyche and assist us to face our reality. The fact is people with hope peace and vision inspire a better world. There will always be the detractors they will contribute nothing to hope, peace and vision. Their only contribution is conflict, fear and hopelessness, because theirs is a lost cause. The character actions and words we speak has an influence into the future of those that admire us. There is life beyond our demise in the life we pass on to our admirers.

Josephus...Belief in an afterlife older than the pyramids...It will be as old as Adam and Eve...lmao

They talked with God and a snake...lmao

Religions use afterlife promises to trick people.

Did Tutankhamun get to use all his treasures in his afterlife? OOPS!...One afterlife myth proven as a falsehood!

Just because someone believes in something that doesn't make it true and it doesn't make it lovely like you portray. Just because money loving religions sell a concept of the afterlife, that doesn't make it true either now does it?

Telling the truth should be more positive than believing a lie and spreading that lie to people creating false hope. The problem is there isn't as much money in truth for religions....lol

You really don't get it do you?

So teaching an unknown belief/intangeable is positive but wanting to know the truth and investigating it, without lying, is a negative? Misguided much?...lmao

It's true that some delusional people are very happy being delusional and that helped them make a positive contribution to society. It is also true though that many realistic people make a positive contribution also.

If medicine hadn't advanced we would be still praying for cures of bacteria and viruses...OOPS did you forget that?

Why did you choose in your inspirational love chat to criticise Atheists as less keen to discuss other groups? Why do you find it so easy to lie? You are gaining quite a track record at that.

Why do you sell the truth as negative but delusional unsubstantiated belief as positive?

Cure the disabled people and amputees all over the world with your faith and prayers Josephus and you can have us all believing your beliefs in a split second.

Pity you aren't positive enough to have the faith of a grain of mustard seed in Jesus/God to prove us wrong.

Look Josephus I have just given you a chance to be inspirational...Be positive now.

Go to your cupboard and take out the dried mustard. One grain of that is all you need to glorify the father in the son healing these people.

Positively...Prove me wrong!

Who uncovered Bacteria in the Modern World? The Judeo-Christian worldview is not politically correct in most universities. This is true in regard to past scientists such as Louis Pasteur who believed in creation. According to reliable, primary sources such as René Vallery-Radot, Pasteur’s son-in-law, Pasteur’s unique view and application of operational science gave him a significant advantage, benefiting mankind in a number of critical areas. Shortly after Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, Pasteur began to challenge the idea of spontaneous generation—the foundation of the evolutionary view on the origin of life. Pasteur’s simple, but elegant swan-necked flask experiments not only put to rest the organic life-from-non-life idea, but also set the foundation for the law of biogenesis: life only comes from life. The genesis of germs in hospital patients were the result of microbes having parents, not a result of spontaneous generation. This revolutionary idea would have application in many areas of medicine. It forms the basis of sterilization, asepsis in surgery, and the germ theory of disease.