When studying the Bible PROPERLY I always remember where an important word appears and relate it to the other places the word appears.

THIS IS FOR YOU NNN and ALL THE OTHERS USELESSLY WAITING FOR JESUS' RETURN BASED ON YOUR SIMPLE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

A key word in this verse is "generation".

Matthew 17:17-20...Then Jesus answered and said, O FAITHLESS AND PERVERSE GENERATION, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

Note Jesus is referring to the generation that he is addressing to his disciples in front of him at that particular time.

So how do you relate that to Jesus' non-returning to you people who live in false hope of his return?

Jesus said Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled.

Well I'm sorry but that generation has passed, they are all dead!

Unless you are prepared to call Jesus a liar - Jesus is answering your question about his coming soon. He's been and gone!

If the stories are true he returned when Thomas tested that it was him by placing his fingers in the womb and left!

Maybe Thomas' unclean fingers caused an infection that Jesus couldn't survive...lmao

So the real truth to the "soon" word is that regarding money. Whilst all you Christians have been pantingly waiting for Jesus' return...(lol), the religions have had their hands in your pockets fleecing the flock.

You were an easy catch... all that they had to sell you on was that Jesus shall be returning "SOON" and you parted with your money continually throughout your lives.

Come in spinners! Do you feel a little foolish?

How are the healings coming along? Come on the 24 hours is nearly up...lmao

Now that hopefully some of you are salivating & celebrating that you think I made an error, let me tell you I did it to test your comprehension skills.

If you missed it you fail again!

I used the word "womb"instead of "wound" when mentioning Thomas. I sometimes do that to see how alert you guys really are...lmao

Thomas should be a hero and yet the religions reduced him to "Doubting Thomas" so as to manipulate Christians to not evaluate what he did.

He committed the crime, in the eyes of the dishonest religious, of actually being sure that it was Jesus' returning. He didn't want to be tricked.

Thomas should be everyone's hero but he is just "Doubting Thomas" and because of that you all forgot to question properly.

YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED!

If you are called a "Doubting Thomas" as a Christian you are considered lacking in faith when it is exactly the opposite.

That simple technique by the religions had shut down your questioning minds and you allowed it..

It started with the Baby Jesus stories, the lies about talking snakes, the mis-translations, the indoctrinations, the selective verse selections in Church and led you to accept the oppression of women and the passing over of moneys to the religions as your payment path to God...lmao

I wonder why I call the religions Pharisaical.

THEY USURPED JESUS WHILST STILL CLAIMING THEY FOLLOWED JESUS!

What did Paul say again?

Acts 23:6 “But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, HE CRIED OUT in the council, Men and brethren, I AM A PHARISEE, THE SON OF A PHARISEE: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.”

Notice he doesn't say... I WAS AS PHARISEE but says "I AM A PHARISEE".

I bet you feel really foolish now or if you don't - YOU SHOULD!

But shhh! Don't tell anyone...

Jesus will be here soon...so keep handing over your money...lmao

To AJ Philips.

Forgive me for being blunt, but don't many of your points have something to do with confirmation bias? I'd think my observations of your having a preemptive doubting stance as being right on point. Addressing your own issues. If my wording wasn't exact with how you originally quoted them. they were still on point with your actual words. No fallacy from any of them. In spite of your denials of having a doubting bias, you last posts show the same issues that I'm talking about concerning your bias.

To your issue of confirmation bias, I've addressed that in previous posts that in order to counter confirmation bias while seeking the merit of what's said you need to give the subject matter in question the benefit of the doubt (at least temporarily) to allow your observations to be open to any successful sign. If you get one success, then try it again to double check. After the fact sometime latter reconsider your observations with your doubts in mind. This should accommodate for confirmation bias while still giving the subject matter a fair chance.

To counter your doubting bias I gave two suggestions that hopefully (God willing) might shed some light on God or prayer, in spite of your bias. But let me explain it better. The prayer was specific prayers to find God. Not a topic of any other kind of prayer. If there are conditions for other requests such as Jesus's closeness to God or His taking time to pray and be away from the world, then so be it, but I'm sure a prayer to seek God has a good chance of getting a response.

The second suggestion about teachings from Jesus is a means to test the merit of those teachings and the merit of who they came from. On that note, what are the teachings that you would count as unwise? I think they would be the best to test for a temporary span of time that was still long enough to see if there is merit to it. (I'd still suggest a month.)

Not_Now.Soon,

I’m not sure how you’re being blunt or why you should be asking for forgiveness there. It seems like a pretty inoffensive and straightforward question to me.

<<Forgive me for being blunt, but don't many of your points have something to do with confirmation bias?>>

To varying degrees, yes. Co-incidence becomes a real problem for your arguments largely due to confirmation bias, and our flawed memories would exacerbate confirmation bias.

Why do you ask? Do you feel there is a redundancy there?

Personally, I think noting confirmation bias is still of value because co-incidence can be a problem for your arguments, even without a confirmation bias on your part.

<<I'd think my observations of your having a preemptive doubting stance as being right on point.>>

No, they were wrong, and I explained to you why they were wrong. Again, until you can explain why my rational explanations are less credible than your supernatural explanations, you are in no position to gauge the extent of my biases.

Once again, you should cease with the ad hominems. As I said before, our arguments stand or fall on their own merit. The fact that you need to play the man and not the ball is rather telling.

<<If my wording wasn't exact with how you originally quoted them. they were still on point with your actual words.>>

Then you need to explain why. You don’t get to just come back and re-assert a claim that was based on something I didn’t even say, while completely ignoring my rebuttal. That’s dishonest.

<<No fallacy from any of them.>>

Actually, your entire position with regards to prayer is implicitly one big Argument from Ignorance fallacy, and I have explained why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Again, you don’t just get to come back re-assert something that I have already demonstrated not to be the case. A mere contradiction is not an argument.

http://www.platformgiant.com/contradiction-and-an-argument

<<In spite of your denials of having a doubting bias …>>

Actually I haven’t denied that yet.

Continued…

…Continued

All I have said (three times now) is that until you can explain why my rational explanations are less credible than your supernatural explanations, you are in no position to gauge the extent of my biases.

<<… you last posts show the same issues that I'm talking about concerning your bias.>>

And yet you provide no examples. Is it any wonder why?

<<To your issue of confirmation bias … If you get one success, then try it again to double check.>>

Yes, that’s always a good starting point.

<<After the fact sometime latter reconsider your observations with your doubts in mind. This should accommodate for confirmation bias while still giving the subject matter a fair chance.>>

No, that would not in any way control for confirmation bias, because you would be inclined to employ confirmation bias when recalling and considering the observations. The only way to control for confirmation bias is with stringent data recording using reliable, proven, and consistent techniques - preferably recorded by a third-party observer.

<<To counter your doubting bias I gave two suggestions … But let me explain it better. The prayer was specific prayers to find God.>>

Yes, I understood that much. My rebuttals still stand.

<<… I'm sure a prayer to seek God has a good chance of getting a response.>>

I already tried - desperately. And for many years, too. Nothing happened. Why would you assume I haven’t done this? I didn’t just wake up one day and realise I was an atheist. It was a transition that took nearly ten years.

<<On that note, what are the teachings that you would count as unwise?>>

Off the top of my head? Most of them. At least to the extent that they don’t acknowledge the fact that morality is necessarily situational.

The golden rule, for example, would be better worded as ‘Do unto others as they would have you do unto them.’ But even that would have its exceptions. I mean, should you kill someone if they asked you to? It depends on the situation.

Why won’t God heal amputees?

OMG!...HOLD EVERYTHING *NEWSFLASH*.

Orthopedic surgeons, physiotherapist, disability health workers, prosthesis manufacturers and all people allied to the disabled/amputee treatment area won't have their normal jobs after today.

YOUR PRAYERS WORKED! Everyone is cured.

Oh hang on...Sorry, Sorry, that was fake news!... No-one was cured!

Not one of your prayers worked people...You failed Jesus/God by either refusing to ask for the healings or the fact that your prayers don't work!

Your failure is due to your LACK OF FAITH!

I hope the prayers for your golf balls going into a hole or your football team were answered...because your prayers simply don't work on people who really require your help.

Remember Jesus said

Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, BECAUSE OF YOUR UNBELIEF: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE UNTO YOU.

Why do Christians refuse to glorify the father in the son OR should we blame your minuscule faith that is less than a grain of mustard seed?

So what are you?... Cowards, too scared to pray for the healings, or low faithed failures because your prayers didn't work or liars because you actually know your prayers don't get answered? YOU CHOOSE!...lmao

Jesus said your faith can do these things...Why do you make him look like a liar?

Luke 17:6 1. A sycamore tree should obey you.

Mark 9:23 ALL THINGS are possible to him that believeth. - say A-L-L T-H-I-N-G-S for me but only as long as you believeth.

Mark 11:23 That Mountain and Whatever you sayeth - Please say A-M-P-U-T-A-T-E-D L-I-M-B-S for me.

Matthew 17:20 Mountains and Nothing will be impossible for you - Please repeat A-M-P-U-T-A-T-E-D L-I-M-B-S for me.

Why do Christians lie about your prayers being answered? Have you no shame?

Why is your faith so miniscule? The way you prattle on....anyone would think you were worth listening to on faith when you aren't!

PRAISE THE LORD! You have been shown to be wolves in sheeps clothing!...lmao