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Secondly, contrary to your implication, I never said the above because you presented an argument that successfully countered an explanation of mine. Not one of your attempts to counter the rational explanations I have provided have been successful, and I would challenge you to present one that was if you disagree.

You are again demonstrating how terrible our memories can be.

<<Your bias is against anything relating to God, prayer included.>>

You have now failed to demonstrate this twice.

<<The unfortunate part is that if God exists He has set a standard for most to find Him.>>

Only according to the Bible. If a god has an important message and wants to share it, then it is the responsibility of that god to reveal itself.

<<My prayer experience is more then compelling. It is justifying. I'm sorry your prayer experiences were not that way.>>

They were at the time.

Going by what you have described, mine were as compelling as yours (i.e. not very). I've already shared one with you. I don’t see how either of our experiences were compelling evidence of a god, and I have explained why.

<<Both options I gave you for prayer or following bible teachings from Jesus are methods to test if they are true.>>

I have already explained why both methods are terrible. Either way, neither would provide reliable evidence for the Bible being the word of a god - regardless of the results.

<<If prayer is answered regarding finding God then that is confirmation of God which should elicit further investigation.>>

And how would further investigation be conducted? You still haven't told me how one would control for co-incidence.

<<If following a bible teaching turns out to be unwise, then that is a confirmation against God being spoken through the Bible.>>

I already explained why it would be unwise. Have I now disproved the assertion that the Bible is the word of God?

It's disappointing to see that you took absolutely nothing from my post earlier today. Do you mind at least telling me why God doesn't heal amputees?

A slight correction, Not_Now.Soon.

Technically, your attempts to demonstrate a bias on my behalf are not poisoning the well as they have not been done pre-emptively. Due to the amount of energy you are spending on pushing the point, however, I remain suspicious about your motives.

I guess it’s possible that your intentions are pure and that you are just trying to get me to see a bias so that I can find your god (again). However, given how little you have actually addressed my criticisms, your attempts to reveal a bias on my part come across as a little desperate and ad-hom-ish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

You have not yet addressed my point about our memories being flawed; you have only addressed the problem of co-incidence to the extent that you have in essence asked how many co-incidences is too many; and you haven’t addressed my points regarding confirmation bias, except to turn them back on me by twisting what I’ve said to make it appear as though I use the problem to avoid seriously considering what you have to say.

Is it any wonder that you had nothing to say about my post earlier today?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8181#256534

How about you start playing the ball a little more instead of the man? Whether either of us has a bias one way or the other is beside the point. Our arguments stand or fall on their own merit.

Seeing believers DEMAND that their prayers are answered there is a simple scientific test that would make what they say unequivocal and it is approved by Jesus.

It will silence every Atheist and non-believer instantly!

Let believers all pray for God/Jesus...(you choose)...to regrow all the amputated legs and to cure all the disabled people with an outwardly visible disability in the world IN THE NEXT 24 hours. It has to be big like that so the world sees the power of God.

We won't tell anyone you did it becasue I know you would want to be humble.

Jesus said

John 14:12-14 Very truly I tell you, WHOEVER BELIEVES IN ME (JESUS) will do the works I (JESUS) have been doing, and THEY (You guys) WILL DO EVEN GREATER THINGS THAN THESE, because I (JESUS) am going to the Father.

And WHATSOEVER YE (You believers) SHALL ASK IN MY (JESUS') NAME, THAT I (JESUS) WILL DO, that the Father (GOD) may be glorified in the Son (JESUS).

If ye (You believers) shall ask ANY THING IN MY (JESUS') NAME, I (JESUS) WILL DO IT.

This is such a simple test and I want you to absolutely prove me and the doubters here wrong.

I will convert 100% to Christianity when it happens and I will apologise to you all for doubting you with all humility.

Obviously, you will choose to glorify the father in the son so I have no doubt that your huge amount of faith will be 100% successful.

I only ask that you have the courage of your convictions to acknowledge to us if you fail.

So do you Christians have the faith of a grain of mustard seed.

PLEASE! PLEASE! PROVE ME AND ALL DOUBTERS WRONG BY HEALING ALL THESE PEOPLE!

I have total faith that your faith is greater than a grain of mustard seed. The news around the world will herald this great event and God and Jesus will be praised universally!

Praise the Lord!

Opinionated2, People are walking again on both legs that have had amputations, but you wont recognise them. People have been given new hearts after heart disease but you wont recognise them. Miracles are happening every day but your eyes are blind to the restoration of human function.

OMG! Josephus now that is really pathetic!

Why don't you just be honest for a change and admit that you don't have the faith of a grain of mustard seed.

So you are saying a prosthesis is from God? What about people who can't get a prosthesis because they can't afford one as they live in a poor country?

Is the branch they hobble on a gift from God and a miracle also?...lmao

Using your logic, how come God only gives modern medical prostheses to people in wealthy western countries?

Why are you so scared as to not simply admit the fact...You don't have the faith to even ask God to grow back amputated legs and to heal people with disabilities let along achieve it?

Why do people in poor countries starve more often than in wealthy countries? Are God's miracles dependent on wealth?

No wonder the Christian Churches defy Jesus by being so wealthy!

According to your logic God wouldn't answer the prayers of their congregations if they weren't money making scams....lmao

Are you really this uninformed as to claim scientific advancements as miracles but only in rich countries? Hang you head in shame!

It's OK...I understand that you don't wish to glorify the father in the son because of your lack of faith as stated in John 14:13 but now apply that to the holocaust.

Why didn't the God of Israel save the 6 million sons, daughters and children of Israel from the murderous Nazi regime? Where did the miracle go? Weren't the Jews entitled to the miracles that you pretend happen?

Sorry Josephus, your position is absurd! Your excuses reflect poorly on what Jesus said in John above. It's not like I'm asking you to transplant a tree with your faith...lmao

It's OK hopefully a real Christian will achieve what you can't!

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For those that look for excuses why they can't regrow amputated limbs and cure disabled people, Jesus covers it here...

IT IS YOUR LACK OF FAITH!

Matthew 17:17-20...Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
Afterward the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, "Why couldn't we drive it out?"

And Jesus said unto them, BECAUSE OF YOUR UNBELIEF: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE UNTO YOU.

See NOTHING SHALL BE IMPOSSIBLE UNTO YOU!

Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, ALL THINGS are possible to him that believeth.

So I guess if you can't do what Jesus says you don't really have the faith you crow about.

A grain of mustard seed is pretty small!

Jesus set his standards very low for you believers.

Sadly, he obviously didn't have much faith in you guys which seems to be proven over and over.

What a sad reflection on people who claim to follow Jesus when their whole faith is an exaggeration at best or a fraud in reality!

So does falsifying your faith give you an honours degree in the "FAITHLESS AND PERVERSE GENERATION" Jesus mentioned in Matthew 17:17 above?

And to think that you guys have the sheer audacity to judge and criticize others when your faith is a falsehood... How do you sleep nights?

One failure doesn't stop this honouring of the father in the son though.

Let's do it for Jesus!

I still have high hopes that one of you at least has the faith of a grain of mustard seed and the 24 hours isn't up yet!

Praise the Lord!