NNS... Still waiting for Jesus' return are we...Will soon ever arrive for you?...lmao I'm not misguided or misinformed about Chjristianity at all. You are! It's a fraud!

It was Runner who introduced the Jesus clap trap to this thread, and I have to correct you misguided Christians who believe fairytales to free others from the fraud.

The Abrahamic religions ruin the "is there an afterlife topic" and I refuse to let them get away with it.

Years ago my sister went to a psychic lady in Melbourne who allowed her to tape the whole thing. The lady only had my sisters first name as a friend booked the reading and my sister tagged along.

This lady knowing absolutely nothing about my family announced my father was coming through to her. At that point she suddenly started using mannerisms that my father had. My sister a sceptic was stunned!

During the 45 minute reading this lady named 12 names who were on the other side with my father and mentioned many people using their mannerisms. One she mentioned was a very overweight man, with a big round face like Bert Newton, bald and holding a beer in front of him shaking his head. This is a brilliant description of a lovely ex alcoholic man who lived across the street.

So my sister and I analyzed everything in minute detail. The names mentioned were all deceased relatives and many were both name and nick name. AMAZING!

There was one name Michael that neither of us recognised. There was no Michael in our family. One day whilst chatting to another sister she mentioned Michael and my sister was shocked. She had a still born baby which she named Michael before his cremation.

So with my previous experience and this I have to conclude that there is strong evidence for our conscience or spirit continuing after dying. In the hands of a skilled psychic these things can be shown.

Continuing on with the weird experiences I have had...

One day whilst chatting to two friends, one in the USA and one Aussie, this happened to me.

The USA lady was a bit down and I sensed that in her. It was the day her father had died when she was three and on that day she had always sensed his presence each year.

Suddenly knowing none of the facts of his death I had this sharp pain all the way down my left side and the feeling of three of my fingers being cut off. My Aussie friend joked - OMG OP2 is having a heart attack...lol The pain was very intense.

The USA lady went very quiet at this stage as I described all I was feeling. The pain was intense but I knew somehow it wasn't a heart attack. It lasted for about 5-10 minutes.

After I described everything to her she told me the story of her fathers death.

He had been driving home from work and his car had jack knifed going through a fence and into the side of a train. Only one side of his body was mangled and he had 3 fingers of his left hand cut off in the accident.

It was a most amazing experience and it brought the woman great relief knowing that what she had felt on this day every year since she was 3 was her father.

I'm not a psychic but I am a complete skeptic and I had never experienced anything like this.

Now of course lunatic Christians always jump to demonic rubbish because of their belief in fairytales...Demons don't exist! There was absolutely nothing negative that came from the experience just a lot of relief for the lady who had lost her Dad at the age of 3.

From my part it was just another weird experience that I have to accept was way too accurate for me to laugh off as silly.

So with these experiences I always keep an open mind!

Opine2. I have heard things like this too. Many things that can't be easily explained. Maybe we have a sixth sense or cognition, memories that are in the subconscious, that come out during times of stress.

If one is dying then what can the body or brain do to ease suffering. I have had a out of body experience, but it was during a medical procedure or child birth. I can't remember, maybe I was in pain or part of me was coming out of anesthetic. NDE are a kind of easing from life to death, but not everybody experiences it. The one I did know about she was under anesthetic and experienced the tunnel light and floating towards it with animals too. She was an animal lover.

But religion, it is a form of moral control and people control particularly women. Paternalistic and God Forbid, hypocritical. I am a deist. I do believe there is something in the universe that is good and logical and loving. But one has to accept the opposite sometimes controls others. And as Richard Dawkins said, there are good people and evil people in this world, but religion makes good people become evil But not a white bearded father sitting on a cloud watching, controlling our fates and destinies. We do that, or our culture does. The Rich control us, prevent sometimes true talent from advancing, or the truth being buried. All we can do is try and enjoy ourselves and children or grand children, because they are our immortality.

OP2 is reposting what he has already espoused in a previous rant against Christians and the Bible. He cannot discuss honourably about the subject. The ancient Egyptians believed rulers inherited an afterlife among the gods. The Pharisees 300 BC believed in a resurrection back into life on the Earth.

The truth is honourable Josephus... try it some day...lol :)

Didn't you make this false claim?

Josephus stated..."I am a theology graduate, and have read every verse in the various translations of the Bible over 40 times in my 77 years"....Obviously a laughable claim!

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8045#249080

I called you out on that lie on that thread and you went to water!

Imagine being a Math scholar and working on 1+1=? for all your life and still thinking the answer is 3...lmao This is Josephus' life in a simple equation...lmao

I quote exact chapter and verse every time Josephus to PROVE what I say is absolutely accurate...You believe baby Jesus stories...lmao

Heaps of peoples have believed in an afterlife Josephus and I am not questioning that...I am saying you Christians are deceivers and ruin the discussion.

Bush Bunny you may well be correct. I can't undo my experiences so I keep an open mind about such things as what happens after we die.

The whole of religion is a money making scam.

Jesus left one religion and look what believers have done to it...

It has been stated that there are around 37 million churches in the world with 34,000 (Christian) denominations.

Pharisaical divide and conquer in action!

So anything they say about the afterlife is tainted by their indoctrination and the anti-God lies they believe...It's a sham and a scam...lol :)

What did Jesus say to the rich man...

Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

The Churches don't follow this teaching they do the opposite! The believers don't do this they do the opposite!

But they all claim to follow Jesus...lmao

Continuing on this topic... Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

How many buildings did Jesus build during his time on Earth? NONE!

And how many Churches have the followers built? Around 37 million? Imagine how many poor people would have been fed if they had only believed enough in Jesus' teachings and followed them? But alas they didn't!

So how much is the Catholic Church worth in Australia alone? This report says $30 billion

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-12/catholic-church-worth-$30-billion-investigation-finds/9422246

And this older article

http://www.jmm.org.au/articles/16261.htm

You will also notice when I show what the Bible actually states the believers clam up continually, failing to turn the other cheek, and attack me...the messenger...lmao

The Bible was written by psychopaths and manic depressives who thought their mental illnesses were gifts from God...lmao

Moses killed anyone who could prove he was a fraud and then made everything up. The Israelites were a very small band of people and so he invented the biggest meanest God possible to keep his people safe.

The lies are obvious...especially when you actually study properly.

Moses made up anti-God rubbish and the dimwits believed him. They still believe-

The Israelite God created the Universe in the first 3 days. He's good...lol He can't stop the Devil...his creation...in all of time though...OOPS not so good...lmao

God drowned EVERY INNOCENT baby, child, unborn and person on the planet because of a mistake he made according to believers but He can't stop the Devil...lol The flood is a lie!

God killed every innocent firstborn baby and child in the Passover that never happened...The Passover is a lie and anti-GOD!

Josephus complains about my rants and yet he goes to church regularly and swallows all the crap hook line and sinker...lmao

Here are my first posts on some threads that I went into heaps of detail regarding the lies in the Bible and the fraud that continues to this day...Enjoy!

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9093#145008

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9093#145008

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2572#57674

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8580#136293

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1374#24934

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1149&page=0

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8143#253074