With the Safe Schools programme supposedly to combat bullying; is bullying so great in Public Schools that they need a curriculum subject to be taught by teachers? Is it not the parents responsibility to teach respect and behaviour? If physical violence is occurring the Police should intervene. Some areas of the subject cover very personal aspects of a persons life, is it wise to expose sensitive children to open discussion on sexual difference? Especially since some areas like sexuality are covered without parental consent. Children in puberty years could be groomed and influenced by teachers against the best long term interest of the child.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/minister-acts-after-safe-schools-makes-a-return-in-nsw/news-story/05a6bfa7db0cbd8b257ad9fb1bc0dd91

//Are our Public Schools now an unsafe place for Children?//

No.

//Is it not the parents responsibility to teach respect and behaviour?//

Yes. But it is also the school's responsibility. It's not one or the other (false dilemma), it's both.

Quick Josephus, get the kids out of those unsafe Public Schools and into the safe hands of the pedophiles down at the local Catholic School. Is that what you want?

Is not this bloke the head serang in Australia of your church?

"Australia's most senior Catholic Archbishop accused of covering up child sexual abuse has had his trial delayed because of medical issues.

Philip Wilson, the Archbishop of Adelaide, was due to front Newcastle Local Court today, but had a pacemaker fitted six days ago and remains in South Australia.

He was arrested two and a half years ago, and has tried, and failed, three times to permanently stay proceedings."

Paul,

What would 'Sister Mary' have to say?

Issy, she would probably be in your camp sticking up for those Catholic degenerates you love so much.
How did your Shooters and Hooters do in the recent Queensland election. Shot themselves in the foot no doubt. Following our recent Victorian success, the Greens look a chance of getting their first seat in the Queensland parliament. How do you feel about that?

I have an 11 year old granddaughter in year 7 who came home the other day all flustered because apparently in sex Ed at school they were shown a model of a penis and then a demonstration of how to put on a condom.
This is a girl who still plays with dolls at times! She doesn't want to be confronted by images of penises and nor do I want her to be. It's far too young.
And for all those of you saying kids are having sex at that age, that is probably true, but it doesn't mean we should encourage it or condone it. It's highly illegal for a start.
We don't teach kids on how to roll a cigarette or make a bong. We should be more concerned with classes on how to avoid it for another couple of years.
To me this is grooming of children too young to be thinking of sex.

As for Safe Schools, they have absolutely no right to be teaching gender theory. It is an unproven premise, rejected by many leading psychiatrists and genuine cases are counted as mental health patients.
Teaching kids that a mental health condition is normal is child abuse.

In the UK gender theory is now normal as in Girl Scouts.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/24021/uk-girl-scouts-allow-adult-males-penises-shower-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Some here with their prudish attitudes would much rather see children ignorant of sex. They favour a return to the bad old days when a young girl would become pregnant, and be sent for a back yard abortion, or banished to relatives to "have the baby"! Only then to see the new born ripped from the mothers arms at birth to be given away, or sold as an abounded child to be adopted. Often this latter solution was the work of churches and their employees.

With the Gender theory now in place in the UK it is OK for males who believe they are female to shower with girls.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/24021/uk-girl-scouts-allow-adult-males-penises-shower-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Gender theory is part of Safe schools.

If parents did their jobs none of this shite would be happening. Too many slack, self-absorbed mothers treating kids as pets or 'friends'; shunting them off to stranger-care as soon as possible so that they can get back to their useless jobs.

Josephus, when it comes to 'The Safe Schools Program' what you need to read is material like that published by the Victorian Department of Education. Not distorted nonsense put out by some homophobic Pommy mob about Girl Guides. Then you might lean something, but I doubt it.

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/about/programs/health/Pages/safe-schools-coalition.aspx?Redirect=1

It is evident Paul is ignorant of the real world as more girls are becoming pregnant today per head of population and using abortion as birth control. While the stigma of teenage pregnancy was a factor less girls were engaging in promiscuous behaviour.

Paul wishes to call me prudish when I raised on the dairy from the age of six was involved in line breeding of champion cattle for the agricultural shows. No prudish attitude toward sex.

It is not the place of teachers to be instructing children in how to engage in anal sex, or how to masturbate, or a girl really might be a boy in a girls body; or a boy might be a girl in a boys body, so they should consider transsexual change.

Transgender are all theories that confuse developing minds. If a child is naturally born transgender that is a private matter between parents and child. To have perfectly gender formed children questioning their gender is child abuse.

Because teachers have all the natural inclinations of their sexuality it becomes an opportunity to groom sensitive children and be sexually attracted to a responsive child. That is what has happened in persons of power in schools and children homes in the past. It is not going to get better merely because the children are taught about sex. The most frequent cases of sexual abuse happen in university where the knowledge of sex is best known even by medical students.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/survey-reveals-sexual-assault-and-harassment-at-australian-universities/news-story/ef568dea17e888711d507d92a770259b

This so-called safe schools program is nothing but a filthy program of debauchery with the intent to shove down the throats of innocent children, poofterism, all manner of deviant sex and disgusting information that no child should ever hear until they are almost adults.

Anyone here who thinks this is good and that children should be taught this filth, are supporters of some of the worst kind of child abuse.

Children MUST remain ignorant to this stuff until they are mature enough to handle it. To suggest anything other than that, is purely evil!

This program by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with bullying!

"Public" (government-sponsored) schools were never a safe place for children. One can only expect the sponsor, the state, to expect dividends in the form of brainwashing the poor children to love them, accept them, then uphold and support them when they grow up.

Now I don't know what other schools, if any, are safe and bullying is present practically everywhere. Your best bet if you want to prevent your children suffering, is to avoid bringing them into this present world, which is already way overcrowded and unfit for good education.

My point is that education alone especially by a person of power over a child who is not the parents is not sufficient to avoid bullying, or sexual abuse, eg university students.

Parents or guardians must be given the role of educating their child of responsibility for their body. Those that speak to children about sexual matters without the parents approval are breaking the trust of parents. Parents know best the individual child and their physical development.

For a teacher at School to be giving a child ideas they are not the gender they were born, is not the place to be discussing such matters.

Yuyutsu, where did you go to school....STALINIST RUSSIA!

A new word from Pete6 poofterism

You two should fit right in with Father Joe.

gender theory with no choice by parents is wrong. The drum bangers for sexual morays, wether by choice or ignorance are playing into the hands of the Marxist engils play book. Communism(fascism) is responsible for killing over a 100 million of their own people. Socialism is only the start of this road . Where would you sooner live new Zealand or Venezuela Myanmar or singapore

Paul,

"How did your Shooters and Hooters do in the recent Queensland election. Shot themselves in the foot no doubt. "

The SF&Fs didn't contest the election, hope that's not a painful wound in your foot or was your aim so bad that you missed?

Dear Josephus,

The "Safe Schools" programs are not compulsory. It is
up to the Principals of each school to decide whether
his/her school wants to participate in these programs.
Not all schools have. So all parents have to do is
find out whether the school they want to send their
children to has the programs - or not - and then decide
where they will send their children.

It's that simple. Nobody is forcing anything onto anybody.
It is a parent's choice which school their child will attend.

Foxy,
If bullying is a problem in the School and it not compulsory, then the bullies opt out and the problem continues. What is the point of the program!

http://www.education.vic.gov.au/about/programs/health/Pages/safe-schools-coalition.aspx?Redirect=1

I have a friend whose son is autistic and the son of a Muslim solicitor harassed him and when my friend's son hit back he was dispelled from the school. When the Principal was challenged his son was reinstated and the bully boy was dismissed, the boys solicitor mother was going to take the Principal to Court, so my friend removed his son from the school to save his son. The claim that only LGBTQQS are the focus of Safe School bullying is an overstatement.

From my observation more girls are bullied at schools as boys seem to be able to cope with opposition and put down. I work with men and the offensive banter between them seems not to go beyond the occasion. Similarly with the bullying on this Forum.

Dear Paul,

When at school, I already suffered my above-average share of bullying.

Now are you suggesting that I didn't have enough and must see this "Father Joe", whoever he is, for more?

Let me then summarise what I wrote, for which I supposedly ought to be subjected to punishment by this Father Joe:

People, please think again before becoming parents, because if you bring children to this world, then they will suffer in school, both at the hands of bullies and at the hands of the state which runs the schools for the purpose of indoctrinating the children to perpetuate its authority.

I read a little article today whose author claimed that bullies never give up, but keep harassing until their victims give in. Surely the 'victim' can decide not to be a victim and prevail against the bully? There are any amount of bullies on this site who have not managed to silence posters they try to bully.

//It is evident Paul is ignorant of the real world as more girls are becoming pregnant today per head of population//

No they're not.

//While the stigma of teenage pregnancy was a factor//

It still is. The only people that have babies that young are bogans, and boganism is heavily stigmatised.

//Paul wishes to call me prudish when I raised on the dairy from the age of six was involved in line breeding of champion cattle for the agricultural shows. No prudish attitude toward sex.//

Well, not sex with cows at least. Seems like you're a big fan of 'animal husbandry'.

But you do seem to be rather prudish when it comes to a bit of bum fun. Or even just good old fashioned cunnilingus.

//It is not the place of teachers to be instructing children in how to engage in anal sex//

I agree. If people aren't bright enough to figure it out for themselves (because it's hardly quantum electrodynamics), then education is wasted on them because they're clearly too stupid to learn aught.

//or how to masturbate//

I agree even more. Nobody taught me how to conduct myself in the solo symphony. It's one of those things that everybody should be able to work out for themselves, at their own pace.

//or a girl really might be a boy in a girls body; or a boy might be a girl in a boys body//

Yeah, when I was at school, long before Safe Schools, I was often asked to imagine myself as a woman. Heck, my parents signed me up to extra-curricular classes where I was asked to imagine myself as a woman. They thought attending drama lessons might give me more confidence.

interesting that in the recent vote that the biggest bullies ever witnessed in this country were supporters of the yes vote. Now they want to putrify the mind of young boys and girls, I suspect to have their own filthy minds eased.

History classes were even worse for that sort of thing. I don't know if this is still in fashion, but my during high school years the teachers were very keen on 'empathy pieces'. That's where you try to use the meagre and sometimes dodgy facts fed to you in class to produce a piece of creative writing where you try to imagine yourself as a Roman slave or an early Australian settler's wife or whatever. Complete bollocks, of course, and completely at odds with the proper appreciation of history as a rigorous academic endeavour.

It doesn't seem to have done me, or any of my peers with whom I'm still in touch, any noticeable harm (except for a lack of a decent history education, which the more inquisitive seek to rectify for themselves anyway). Certainly, none of us were 'brainwashed' [pseudoscience alert: brainwashing is not a thing] into believing that we were actually Roman slaves.

//To have perfectly gender formed children questioning their gender//

Jesus, whose dystopian sci-fi novel have I wandered into?

//Because teachers have all the natural inclinations of their sexuality it becomes an opportunity to groom sensitive children and be sexually attracted to a responsive child.//

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that:

a) All teachers are secret rock spiders.
or
b) Everybody is a secret rock spider and teachers just have more opportunity.

Because I don't think either option is correct.

The rot set in when the academics really got hold of teachers, while at the same time so many men were forced elsewhere.

While the academics only got 2 years at primary school teachers at teachers college, with that actually only making about 16 months, it was not too bad. When it took 5 years, [Arts & a dip ed.], they could give then the full brainwashing.

We got silly little city girls coming out to the bush, telling farmers kids anyone who chopped down a tree was a vandal. Then again, kids who have been watching cattle, sheep, horses & such mating since they could walk, are probably not quite so susceptible to this safer schools tripe.

I can imagine my eldest daughter explaining to some bright eyed city girl teacher how it all worked, when she was in first class.

ttbn,

"Surely the 'victim' can decide not to be a victim and prevail against the bully? "

Particularly if the victim belts the bully one in the nose, there is nothing like the sight of his own claret flowing to curb the desires of a bully.

Can always rely on some laughable misinformed comments on 'Safe Schools' from the forums usual suspects. Josephus has got the pommy girl guides in his sights for a bit of extra stick. According to sweet little Pete the new buzz in schools is the compulsory participation by children in the perverted practice of Poofterism. Hassy, what we do not need is intelligent people as teachers, not when we could have a Hassy Neanderthal to front a classroom full of kids, and grunt and groan for an entire lesson, no two ways about it, that would be full on education.

"I agree even more. Nobody taught me how to conduct myself in the solo symphony. It's one of those things that everybody should be able to work out for themselves, at their own pace." Good advice Toni, but if Fr.Joe is having difficulty with Mrs Palmer and her five lovely daughters, I can send him a rather tacky old copy of the 'Masturbaters Handbook' with diagrams, and my own rather stcky hand written margin notes. Failing that the 1960's schoolboy porno bible, National Geographic's Special African edition with full frontal colour pics should help out, and I'm not talk'n elephants.

Foxy, please stop posting sensible informed comment on this, its too much for the forums homophobes to comprehend. One would much rather talk about their own sex education, when watching what bulls and cows got up to down in the back paddock.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/teens-charged-in-south-australia-for-planning-school-attack-20171129-gzv67i.html

"Detective Superintendent Bray said police first became aware of the planned attack on November 3 and both teenagers were arrested on November 10."

So you became aware that two kids who were planning to blow-up the school and murder their schoolmates a week before you actually intervened?
What would you say to the parents of 50 dead Aussie kids?
We knew about the attack but did nothing for a week?
And you're trying to convince us schools are safe?

Detective Superintendent Des Bray, head of South Australia's major crime branch, said the planned massacre would have been "catastrophic" and added it was likely it would have been carried out had it not been thwarted by police.

It wasn't twarted by police, the kids themselves messed up and told their mates.
Nothing to do with competence of police.

- He said police became aware of the planned massacre after the teenagers began to tell others what they intended to do.
"They told some other people about what they were intended to do, and then they told other people," he said.

So what do we learn from this?

THAT THERE COULD BE A TERRORIST ATTACK PLANNED AT YOUR KIDS SCHOOL TOMORROW.

- And even if authorities have been made aware of it, they may not have yet intervened.
THEY MIGHT KNOW, BUT STILL WON'T TELL STUDENTS OR PARENTS
You won't know about it until 'AFTERWARDS'.

Whatever 'AFTERWARDS' is; either the threat neutralised, or your kids dead or in hospital.

Schools Safe?
You've got to be kidding me right?

Is this not what the article states?
Or do I just read things differently to everyone else?

Paul1405, I must correct you. I have been using the word 'poofterism' for decades. So I lay claim to being 'amongst' the first to use/create it. Oh and while I'm on the subject of new words. In commemoration of this new era for the queers it is only fitting that they should celebrate by moving into a new future with new and personal names, as follows: From now on they shall be known as 'GAI' for singular and 'GAIZ' for plural. Your welcome. Enjoy.

ttbn, I agree that too many women, are more interested in their so called useless 'career' to give any real thought or priority to their children, or family for that matter.

Safe schools were the good old Catholic schools run by the likes of paedophile priest Fr Gerald Ridsdale and the band of pious clergy. I know who was "safe", it wasn't the kids being molested, but these Catholic degenerates being protected by the Catholic Church hierarchy.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-15/gerald-ridsdale-abused-girl-on-church-altar-court-told/8808606

ALTRAV, I have always though you were one of the most intelligent posters from the rabid right on the forum. Now you have confirmed it, being a longtime user of such a cleaver descriptive term as "poofterism", I say a true master of the English language no less. BTW when did you use this "poofterism" terminology? In general conversation, like when ordering lunch at your local, "A dogs eye loveeee, with a schooner of Tooheys spew loveeeee, an hold off on the poofterism!" or were you more specific, like visiting a gay bar with a "Any poofterism go'n on ear!" How did you use the word? I am interested.

//THERE COULD BE A TERRORIST ATTACK PLANNED AT YOUR KIDS SCHOOL TOMORROW.//

Yeah, thanks for that Captain Paranoia. But hey, look on the bright side: a nearby supernova or gamma ray burst might cook us all before that ever happens.

Come, come, Toni I was often attacked by the terrorists when I was at school, particularly if I didn't do my homework. My pathetic excuse that "the dog ate it", never washed with the brothers, they always would terrorise me for my indiscretion.... liberal use of the cane, was the most common terrorising method employed!

paul1405, being 'one of the most intelligent posters', I have used the word in many topics and discussions over the years. Being a 'linguist' I find the creation of new words come naturally, which is amazing considering I am shite at English and always have been. Still one aspires to achieve and succeed in pursuit of enlightenment and happiness. WOW what a lot of crap, but what the heck, I enjoy it. Just a little levity in an otherwise all too serious world.

Hey Paul1405,
Say what? - Are you telling me 'poofterism' isn't a word?
Of course it's a word; maybe just not an actual word.

Best used in the context of one's own home when taking the p*ss out of other male housemates, as Australian's do.
When stopping by ones room; one may enquire:
"What sort of poofterism's going on in here?"

Seriously though, the reason I bring it up is to question whether people like yourself would try to tell me that this behavior is wrong, and that I have no right to discriminate against gays or allege gay activities (when the person is not gay) in the comfort and privacy of my own home.

What say you, on this topic?

Just to correct a misleading impression being given in this thread, the terrorism threat in SA was very real indeed. Police well deserve public congratulations and thanks for nipping it in the bud. Well done, police!

Although the media report extended the threat to firearms, despite the offenders not having any, nor having any means to acquire them and police statements that it was explosives and other weapons, including bullet proof vests and no guns,

"Two teenage boys who were allegedly planning an attack involving guns [not according to police] and explosives at a school in South Australia's Riverland region have been charged with serious offences.
..
"We believe that most likely the attack would have occurred if not stopped by the end of the current school term," Superintendent Detective Bray said.

"Police will allege that they intended to cause harm to a large number of people, however this plan was thwarted.
"There is NO evidence to show that any other person was linked with this matter, nor did the two individuals have possession of firearms."

The public should be concerned that the tabloid media (and the TV channels excel at tabloid!), do not sensationalise this plot and do not give any notoriety to the offenders. The same applies to ambulance-chasing politicians. That could encourage copy cats, which will be on their heads.