Is Mise: "Are you in favour of Uniform National Gun Laws? I am"

So am I, and full marks to John Howard for pioneering them. The only decent thing that government ever did. Nobody should let him down.

EJ thanks for your contribution on this thread. You speak for the vast majority of Australians who were disgusted with Port Arthur, and applauded Howard for his stance on guns.

Issy, yes uniform laws wherever possible is desirable, but with a federation of governments we have in Australia that is hard to achieve, but does not mean "no laws" should be the norm.
Criminals are criminals, and have to be dealt with accordingly. Here in NSW the pro gun pressure group, led by their political arm, the Shooter and Hooters Party are continually trying to use their power position to force government to water down gun laws.

Leoj, tries to project that gun control is some kind of political conspiracy manipulated by sinister foreign forces, supported by a senseless minority of so called "useful idiots", when nothing could be further from the truth. All Australians have an interest in the subject as it effects each and everyone of us. It should be noted that under another nick Leoj expressed his support for a armed paramilitary style private citizens militia to act when police were seen not to be doing their job correctly. Take his furphies and red herrings with a grain of salt.

Now you mention it Issy, what are the links, political and financial, between the National Rifle Association of America, and the Australian gun lobby?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/your-gun-laws-are-a-mistake-national-rifle-association-to-australia-20150712-giaqal.html

We do not have National Gun Laws, their existence is a furphy.

In WA it is an offence to possess a fired cartridge case, whereas the other States couldn't care less.

The Minister recently said that all firearms in Australia have to be licensed, another piece of bull, all revolvers have to be licenced in NSW but not all of them have to be licenced in Victoria.

It is possible and legal in Australia for people to own rapid firing breach loading rifles without a licence or having to have the guns registered.

The Minister, Keenan, recently was crowing about the interception of some 5,000 firearms that were illegally imported into Australia and the media gobbled this up and reported it as fact.

The Sporting Shooters'Association of Australia thought that this was a bit of spin, so made inquiries and found that the figure was inflated a bit and that only a few over 300 were firearms and that the rest were parts.
Keenan in his announcement of the amnesty then said 5,000 firearms and parts, which was an improvement over the previous spin but he neglected to mention that over 3,000 of the parts were intercepted in the USA and were never in Australia.

Rather unsporting of the SSAA to shew that the Minister was not telling the Australian people the truth.

Paul,

"Now you mention it Issy, what are the links, political and financial, between the National Rifle Association of America, and the Australian gun lobby?"

I didn't mention it, but as you've brought up the subject, how about you telling us all the facts, the Greens and Gun Control have alleged it often enough, you should have the relevant references at your fingertips.

Are you in favour of a permanent amnesty?
Such an amnesty would be helpful to gun owners who want to hand in unregistered weapons that they may find down in the barn or that they've forgotten about.

Uniform MINIMUM laws (Howard laws) with further restrictions which individual States can impose. Try weaselling out of THAT.

Julian

"Uniform MINIMUM laws (Howard laws) with further restrictions which individual States can impose. Try weaselling out of THAT."

That is not what was proposed and has absolutely no logic.
What we need are uniform gun laws across Australia, so that everyone knows where they stand (particularly those folk who live on the borders).
People who live in Border Street, which is on the NSW/Qld border do have problems!!
Not as bad as the border between the Republic of Ireland and the Occupied Counties where it runs through farms and in one case through a pub, the pub has different closing hours in the same establishment!!

What is wrong with logical, evidence based gun laws?

Any comments on the Minister's utterance?

Re Is Mise: The Howard gun laws weren't merely proposed, they were legislated. The evidence they are based on is a history of periodic gun massacres leading up to that at Port Arthur. The only shootouts since have been criminals blowing away other criminals with illegal imported guns.

Are the gun hobbyists on OLO seeking a watering down of the Howard laws or are they not?

Are they seeking repeal of additional State laws covering every individual subject to them or are they not?

Are they seeking a halt to State legislation additional to the Howard laws or are they not?

Are they seeking a watering down of State legislation additional to the Howard laws or are they not?

I think that reduces the gun hobbyists' wiggle room to zero, given that the line separating States has a width of zero.