Foxy,

It was you who quoted Michael W, Austen, 'Cultivating Character in Christ', as an expert.

I merely pointed out the obvious, which is that your expert wasn't and expert at all.

Now, what about that gun shop you are trashing. Would you kindly provide the evidence that the licensed owner has been found guilty of the offences you allege, or failing that, any serious offence relating to firearms?

Just a reminder that you yourself do ask for such proof. You also argue that allegations are quite out of order, pre-emptive, pre-judging and wrong and should never precede conviction.

Your belief isn't good enough.

The fig leaf of formal difference is like the fig leaf that separated the Communist Party of Australia from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - they were all Commos. The parent body is the NRA and it comments frequently on the lack, which it deplores, of a gunshot death count in Australia. Pretending no connection is no more than ducking and weaving by those who are part and parcel of the same body.
A duck is a duck.

Ever been to America? Ever contacted the NRA in any way? Ever accepted their advice? Periodic pilgrimages were part of holding the Commos together with global HQ too.

leoj,

No. what I did was cite an article on why America needed
stronger gun control laws and why by an American living
in the country who was familiar with the problems.
I did not claim he was an expert on the subject. You did that
on your own and then set about to prove that it was necessary
to be some sort of an expert in criminology to have an opinion
on the subject. I asked you were you refuting the facts that
the man raised, especially in the city of Chicago. You did not
answer and again are attempting to divert the discussion.

As for providing you with proof on the gun shop in question.
Certainly. Glad to oblige:

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21718895-2013-more-1500-guns-found-chicago-crime-scenes-were-traced

This information is available on the web and you could have
Googled it yourself.

cont'd ...

leoj,

Here's the link again. Excuse my earlier typo:

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21718895-2009-2013-more-1500-guns-found-chicago-crime-scenes-were-traced

Foxy,

Why should I search for the proof you don't have? You claimed as an expert that opportunist self-promoting religious fundamentalist who is hitching a ride and is casting about to flog his religious books (which I am certainly not going to link to, to help the sod out!).

Where it suits you, a Kangaroo Court is more than enough and anything will do to hang 'em high. Where it doesn't suit you, even a court conviction would not be enough to convince you.

If the gun shop licensee you are trashing has committed a serious offences s/he would have been found guilty, convicted and presumably would have lost his/her licence and probably the business as well since assets would have been confiscated.

So what conviction, if any, has been recorded?