Hi Bazz,

Yeah, that might have been the Mongols - they were halted in what is now Germany, but war parties actually got right through France to the Atlantic.

Those centuries must have been 'exciting' times: from around 710, when the Moors swept into Spain and took control of the Mediterranean, as well as threatening the Byzantine empire, with the Vikings threatening all of northern Europe and the Atlantic coast right down to what is now Algeria and Sicily, with the Huns sweeping in from the East, then the Mongols - it must have seemed like the Apocalypse was upon them.

Greece fought for and won its independence from the Ottoman yoke in 1825. Are we allowed to say 'Ottoman yoke', or have they somehow become 'good' imperialists (i.e. non-European) in contrast to the 'bad' imperialists like Britain and the US ? Maybe we should ask the Greeks.

Joe

OK Joe, Greece invaded part of Turkey in 1918 that was Greek previously
to recover it. I read about that quiet recently somewhere.
The Armistice forced the withdrawal of the Ottomans from the Balkans.

I just read a report on Trump's speech in Saudi and it was a Diplomatic
bit of straight talking it appears.
An American historian did a study of Islamic warfare and invasions over
the last 1400 years. He totalled up either 500 or 800 battles outside
the middle east. All the way from East Asia to Northern Europe.

I find it hard to understand the attitude of people who make excuses
for moslems and try to pretend that they are all very lovely.
They seem to think that the atrocities are all history.
It is not it is active and now.

The childish attacks on Trump are looking sillier every day. Given the absurd screeching of he Left, he is getting it right.

ttbn,

It's hardly "childish" to point out the illegal and unconstitutional nature of what Trump tries to achieve.

You don't really keep up with the news much, do you?

Hi Bazz,

Yes, aggression all the way from Vietnam to Tours. The Mongols sent a fleet up the Red River in northern Vietnam around 1285, but were annihilated by the genius of the Vietnamese leaders. The Mongols also attacked ancient Champa, in central Vietnam. They even had a go at Japan. Ah, the religion of peace.

Of course, a devout Muslim would regard all of those countries, once conquered, to remain forever Muslim, and one day to be reconquered.

And today, a suicide bomber in Manchester, at least nineteen killed. What a gutless bunch - how easy would it be to blow up a rock concert ? Why not try a pre-school ? Or an old people's home ? Worthless, gutless bastards.

I'm no confident that the Saudis are totally hostile to ISIS: Trump's huge arms deal with them may not benefit ISIS this time around, but when they re-form into something worse, in a year or two, how much of those armaments will find there way from gthe Saudis ?

By the way, for Trump to slag Islamic extremism in front of the Saudi King, and an honour-and-shame-obsessed audience, must have been like a guest coming back from the toilet, hitching up his trousers, and saying, "Hey, when are you people gonna clean your sh!thouse ?"

Real tactful.

Oh well, one more step in his 'war against good and evil'. Yes, he really did say that. God help us.

Cheers,

Joe

Back to the topic:

Here is an interesting article on what it would take to impeach Trump:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-23/what-would-it-take-to-impeach-trump-putin/8548070