Dearest Foxy,

Welcome back ! Wow, that was a short trip. One of the problems with threads like these as vehicles for opinion, is that they don't have very good brakes: if you start it rolling, you can't control where it will go or end up, certainly not with some contributors pushing from behind. Or trying to push it right off the road.

It's been fascinating to watch Trump flip from his campaign promises, to their opposites once he has actually had responsibility for real, actual, policies. Of course, he has to fit a hell of a lot each time into a four-minute attention-span, so it's understandable if he's completely forgotten some of those promises of months ago.

In his campaign, he slagged the Chinese, Europeans, Arabs, Muslims generally, Mexicans, Canadians, the media, women, and god knows who else - but bit by bit, he's had to crawl back much closer to Obama's positions, i.de. a dose of commonsense has somehow crept in. I think that all foreign leaders have quickly come to realise that they simply have to smile at him, maybe do a bit of fawning, but just go around him, as one would a dog turd.

So what idiocy will he commit today ? Call the Pope an Argy ? Walk in front of him, like he did with Turnbull ? Whip out his mobile in the middle of a conversation to talk to the Russians ?

Love,

Jo

Dear Joe,

No. I'm not back.

I merely acted on the advice of my doctor.
He told me to respond to leoj (aka - on the beach).
It would be better for me. So I did.

Jo,
The Pope needs to be told he is wrong, he presides over the Catholic Churches
refusal to allow contraception. So he does not condem male dominance
and lack of contraceptive rights for women as being the real cause of extreme overpopulation, resulting in poverty war and famine. Instead he takes the populist stance, thus currying favour with his followers of blaming Europe and Western countries
for all the unrest and poverty in the world. He's a hyprocrite, as cunning as any politician,in the public speeches he makes to drum up support for his continued
following. Why wouldn't he? He lives like a king, in a castle called the Vatican where he is waited on by servants, who cook clean and wash and generally wait on him. Plus he wears ruby rings worth a small fortune. Part of the ancient treasure of the church no doubt. I love Trump for snapping back at him for his criticism.

And good on him for having the guts to stand in front of all those Muslim leaders
and tell them to clean up their act. That the terrorist problem is an Islamic one,
not a Western one. I watched a newspaper fellow on utube in an interview and he
said. The West hasn't failed Islam. Islam has failed the West.

Hallelujah! Someone has the guts to say this loud and clear.
It's about time people in Western countries started to speak out loudly and
clearly instead of nodding their heads in agreement to manipulative Islamist behaviour
and propaganda.
ABC TV panelist show Q&A immediately springs to mind.
What a wonderful Muslim propaganda machine, they have been.
Thank God for Jackie Lambie, on that show recently, where she had the guts
to stand, that woman with the ridiculous towel wrapped around her head,
up about Sharia Law.

BAZZ

You were spot on about the on-going Muslim violence, in the last few centuries, at least.
Including in every country they are in, around the world, in the present centuries.

In the form of the Ottomon Empire in the middle if the 1800's, they massacred the Christians in Damascus and Allepo.
They tried to wipe out most of the European
Christians who fell under the dominance of the Ottomon Empire.

Western schools taught very little about the Ottomon Empire, and seemed totally
unaware of what the history of the Ottomon empire, the Muslim Empire and the
lethal extermination they carried out against all who weren't Muslim.
Instead we hear incessantly of the German nazis,

Well the Ottomon empire were nazis too, in their extermination of all of "the other"

I don't think it's unrelated, that the Serbian, Bosnian war flared up. It dates back to the unease between the Muslims and the European Serbs for massacres carried out under the Muslim Ottoman Empire.

Likewise this flaring up of who's going to control places like Damascus and Allepo, given the above mentioned massacres of the European Christians in those areas at the time of the Ottoman Empire mid 1800's.
Is it really a co-incidence that those 2cities were involved in this latest flare up between
tribes over there in Syria. I tend to think, it's all connected.

Muslim violence, ever present and on-going, something the West, in its limited
understanding of this history, is only becoming aware of now, and even now because of
a lack of historical investigation and reporting by journalists, only chasing money making
headlines, is still limited in understanding. It's ironic, in the extreme, when we let them
accuse us of being far right wing and nazi. When the Muslim religion itself, is the very
authoritarian, far right, nazi regime, it accuses the western countries of being.

The joke is on the large number of so called educated whites, who believe in our guilt,
but think the Muslims are the peaceful sheep, (in wolf's clothing) they pretend to be.
Talk about fairy stories.

Hi Cheerful,

I'm not saying that Trump was wrong in the at he handled himself, just that there are ways and ways, and his ways were crass and ultimately unhelpful. You need a bit of tact, even, or maybe especially, with such creatures as the Saudis. In any case, what he has achieved with his arms deal is to massively up the odds of a far bigger, all-out, Sunni vs Shi'ite war, which the world could do without at this time.

Yes, I agree with your comments about the atrocities committed by various Muslim regimes in the past 1300 years. It brings up the issue of criticism of Islam, which, like criticism of Christianity or any other religion, is perfectly justified, especially given that the bombing atrocities never seem to be carried out by Buddhists or Hindus or even those nasty Christians, but by Muslims. That's the reality.

We need to differentiate between fascist Muslims, and 'ordinary' Muslims gong about their business with no ill-will towards anyone. The pseudo-Left also make the huge mistake, and possibly a racist mistake (to the extent that Muslims are a 'race'), by lumping even those fascists in with those 'ordinary' Muslims and denying there is any difference. That's just as 'racist' and ultimately anti-Muslim as the most vicious attacks on Muslims as a whole. Instead, they absolve ALL Muslims by denying that atrocities are carried out by people using the Muslim books as their excuse, when clearly they are.

Of course, the vast majority of Muslims, here and around the world, have no intention whatever of harming their fellow-citizens. But some do: we need to call that out when it occurs, and seek out the rationale for such fascism. The pseudo-Left has a long history of pandering to fascism, perhaps in the smug belief that, by

[A] letting fascism build its strength and taking power,

[B] they will expose how evil they are,

[C] there will be popular revolt against them and then - hallelujah !

[D] the pseudo-Left can take over in the political vacuum.

So jihadi denialism is nothing new.

Cheers,

Joe

I now look forward to forming a government that is competent, that is trustworthy, and which purposefully and steadfastly and methodically sets about delivering on our commitments to you, the Australian people.
Did this bloke believe what he said.