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Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 31 March 2017 7:14:17 PM
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Hi Josephus,
Darwin actually believed the opposite, that the mixing of people was healthy and beneficial (check out his 'Descent of Man'). Others, especially Herbert Spencer, distorted his view by extending what he applied to nature, to humanity as a whole. Darwin certainly never meant anything of the sort. Many of the principles of the early Enlightenment, in this case that everything could be reduced to a science, was very much an over-reach (compare Saint-Simon's notion of sociology as a science of human social behaviour). One perversion of that flawed notion was that, as in nature, there was a 'survival of the fittest' (also not one of Darwin's ideas, I think Thomas Huxley's) amongst human societies. Darwin would have despaired. Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 31 March 2017 7:21:39 PM
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"No one blames Beatles for Charles Manson, and no one should
No one blames Salinger for killing Lennon, and no one should But no one looks beyond Islam to blame for ISIS or Al-Qaeda." Hi Foxy, Thank you for your reply, There were some well made points in the article you posted, Yes, decent Muslim people are being treated with suspicion because of the appalling behaviour by groups like Isis. The paragraph above from the article. however, doesn't really make sense, although I understand the point it is trying to make. What connection, or link did Charles Manson ever have to the Beatles. "No one blames Salinger for killing Lennon". I do., I think of him -as the nut that killed Lennon. As to the Islamic connection to Isis, There is a very big link to the religion, a link which is proclaimed endlessly by Isis. The writings in the Koran about beheading the Devil(the infidel) are the reason Isis beheads people. The link to the religion is right there In those actions of beheading the Devil. Those teachings are coming directly from the Koran. Is it any wonder, fear and suspicion is in people's minds in respect to Islamic followers. All religions have Been guilty of this kind of thing in history, the difference is, that most of those religions have reformed under public pressure, but the Islamic religion is still going through the long process of modernisation. The decent Muslims will . gradually bring this about, but until ithey do, people who have already gone through this struggle with the Christian religion, have no wish to fight the battle again,with another fundamentalist medieval religion,who are willing to kill anyone who doesn't comply with their religious teachings. The western mindset- "been there done that, no thanks! Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 31 March 2017 7:46:17 PM
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@Foxy, Friday, 31 March 2017 6:01:59 PM
If you believe as that Huffington Post article posits, that moderate Muslims are not obvious because the media don't report them, then, you must also wonder why the ABC and Q&A especially give a podium and oxygen to Muslim 'experts' like Yassmin Abdel-Magied, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ev66F8U4L8 Part of the answer might very well be that ABC interviewers and programs like Q&A put sensationalism and 'gotcha' moments first. That is easy to believe. However, in doing that the ABC is NOT being independent nor is it modelling balance. It is acting like the worst tabloids. Add to that the needless preoccupation with smut. The ABC comes across as urban elitist and trying to rub the noses of the public in leftist 'Progressivism' (a bastardised politically correct version of Left). The ABC doesn't seem to like mainstream Australia at all. It has another demographic in mind. How long the exasperated public are willing to put up with that is the question. The jokes around about the ABC are becoming less funny and sharper every day, so the time is about up one would imagine. Posted by leoj, Friday, 31 March 2017 7:56:11 PM
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Here's a website from SBS that does give
good news as to what some Muslims are doing in Sydney: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/01/03/muslim-group-helping-sydneys-homeless Posted by Foxy, Friday, 31 March 2017 9:51:01 PM
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Dear CHERFUL,
As I stated earlier - I fully understand people's concerns about Islamic extremism. We should all condemn people who wish to inflict violence on others. Ayaan Hirsi Ali will be in Melbourne giving a talk at Festival Hall on Friday 7th April at 7.00pm. It will be interesting to see what she has to say. Especially, on why Islam needs a Reformation now. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 31 March 2017 10:04:15 PM
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I am flat chat at the moment trying to get something finished for a client but I just had to reply to your revisionist claptrap.
Hitler said without equivocation that he considered his actions against Jews as “the Lord's work”. He originally found anti-Semiticism distasteful and beneath him but it was his radicalisation by the Christian Democrat lord mayor of Vienna who was also a member of which put him on the path of wiping out so many of the Jewish race.
The anti-Jewish diatribe Mein Kampf was such a hit within Germany it made Hitler a millionaire well before coming to power.
While the 20 million Catholics were not as quick to warm to him the 40 or so million German Protestants embraced Nazi ideology with an unbounded fervor.
Here is a question for you mate, if we were to tally up the number of people of the other faith that Christians and Muslims have dispatched over the last 50 years who do you think would win? That is even given Christians outnumber Muslims by a third.
I don't think Islam has any right to call itself the 'religion of peace' but I sure as hell know Christianity isn't within a bulls roar of the title either.