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From the lips of someone who should know

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Foxy,
Is it only the radicals who need reformation? Or is it the whole of the Islamic religion? Does the text of the Koran need to be changed? Does the Hadiths need to be changed? Do Islam need to abandon the example of Mohamed who murdered and raped and plundered in the name of Allah as their source of inspiration?
Posted by Josephus, Saturday, 1 April 2017 1:39:08 PM
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Good on you, Foxy :)

Love,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 1 April 2017 1:39:15 PM
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Hi Josephus,

My limited understanding is that hadiths are always 'changing', being replaced with later ones. But since later hadiths are supposed to abrogate or supersede earlier ones, surely it shouldn't be impossible to come up with more 'reformist' hadiths and broadcast them as authoritative, if the will is there ?

But your point about Muhammad is vital: maybe that's what reformation will need. So it's going to be a massive ideological struggle, probably needing decades.

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 1 April 2017 1:43:58 PM
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Dear Josephus,

Thank You for asking such relevant questions.
That's why I am very interested in what Ayaan
Hirsi Ali has to say on the issues. From what I
gather I think she feels that the entire religion
needs to be reformed. She is an expert on the
topic. I am not. However I shall let you know
what her consensus is.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 1 April 2017 1:52:08 PM
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Josephus,

It is Islam in its entirety that has to be knocked in the head; there is no chance of reformation. The word of Allah, passed on by that “perfect human being” - the bloodthirsty lunatic, Muhammed – is final and cannot be changed.

Forget these mythical 'moderate' Muslims – they don't exist. No decent human being could continue to identify as a Muslim knowing the vile nature of the Koran. The monkeys among us might start yapping about the nasty bits in the Christian Old Testament (even though it is hard to see how that excuses Islam, as the monkeys seem to think it does), but they totally ignore the New Testament and the simple fact that no Christian goes around committing atrocities in the name of God or the Christian religion.

Islam is an abomination – the epitome of evil, hatred and violence. Nothing short of an all out, modern Crusade will save us. The last time, they were stopped at the gates of Vienna. Now, they are already inside the gates.

Islam intends to subdue Westerners “by their (own) hands”; and they are succeeding. We let them in. We are making excuses for their barbarity, blaming ourselves and the “sins” of our past. We are already acting like 'dhimmis', obeying the Islamic demand that we do not criticise the Prophet or Islam. The last Islamic empire was enabled by the elites of the invaded lands. It's all happening again. In fact, it is probably already too late to save ourselves, thanks to cowardly Western elites of the kind that have turned Europe into Eurabia already.

I am going to break my own embargo on Q&A on Monday to hear  Ayaan Hirsi Ali, one of the very few public figures prepared to tell the truth about Islam.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 1 April 2017 3:25:37 PM
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ttbn,

Not a “jot or tittle” of the “law” can be changed either. That goes for both testaments, by the way. Jesus said so.

<<The word of Allah, passed on by that “perfect human being” - the bloodthirsty lunatic, Muhammed – is final and cannot be changed.>>

That’s where interpretation and context comes into the mix. Just ask a Muslim or a Christian. I have. They’ll waffle on all day about ‘context’. Funnily enough, context never needs to be considered it comes to the nice bits.

<<The monkeys among us might start yapping about the nasty bits in the Christian Old Testament …>>

And the New Testament. There’s lots of little nasties lurking around in that too. Not as many, though. Granted.

<<… even though it is hard to see how that excuses Islam, as the monkeys seem to think it does>>

Oh, it doesn’t. Two wrongs never make a right. It is encouraging, at least, to know that no matter how bad a holy book is, the faith to which it belongs still appears to be reformable.

<<… no Christian goes around committing atrocities in the name of God or the Christian religion.>>

You see? Even you’re starting to recognise it.

Well, we still have the odd Christian go postal on us, but they’ve gotten a lot better in recent decades.

Now quit worrying and stop inflaming tensions. That’s how you’re guaranteed to radicalise ethnic minorities. Even those who aren’t Muslims. Heck, I can think of two who did a crash course in Islam before taking off to fight for ISIS. When the police raided their place, they found a copy of Islam for Dummies and a copy of The Koran for Dummies. That’s how little they knew before they took off. People tend to place too much emphasis on the doctrines.

Sometimes the doctrines are just an excuse.
Posted by AJ Philips, Saturday, 1 April 2017 4:08:33 PM
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