Dear Is Mise,

I suspect that Foxy does not shy away from the
Koran it's probably the fact that she does not
approve of any analysis of the woes of Muslim
countries that are too simplistic and that fail
to bring into their analysis issues such as
colonisation, resulting loss of resources and
self determination. As stated earlier it is
difficult to combat extremism in an environment
like Iraq for example where people have suffered a
decade of crippling sanctions, invasions, and a
lack of global investment to replace the huge loss
of infrastructure caused by sustained bombing by
foreign governments. Any analysis that does not
address these kind of issues, along with issues
of marginalisation, is far from complete.

Foxy, the intervention of the west originated at the time of the
crusades which were undertaken to protect the Christians and Jews in
Israel and Mesopotamia.
This intervention has continued to today.
Now, the Christian survivors are so few and the Jews are now restricted
to Israeli territory it is time to extract all the Christians from the
middle east and seal off the middle east and no longer get involved
in the area. As many moslems as possible should be deported there and
not allowed out ever again.

A hard line of course but there really is no alternative unless
we feel that 1400 years of war is not enough. France faces civil war.

I know you will not approve of what I suggest, but it just goes on and on.

Dear Bazz,

I read your post with interest.

All we can continue to do - is as Ayaan Hirsi Ali
states:

"All cultures are flawed, but if we want to aspire
to a society, whether it's on a national level or
on a global level of individual rights and the respect
for human rights, then we have to criticise these
cultures..."

And, work with heroic Muslims and their allies
who continue to challenge the injustices before them in
their nations and locales.

Well difficult when their religion prevents any change at pain of death.
And why should we bother. Seal them off and let them get on with it.

Foxy,

What do you think of her remarks about Muslim schools in Sydney?

@Foxy, Thursday, 30 March 2017 3:19:34 PM

Most of your post is a direct quote from a group you appear to support who were trying to CENSOR the very speaker you claim to be supporting, ie Ayaan Hirsi Ali:

"Last week Anjum Rahman, of the Islamic Women's Council of New Zealand, says Hirsi Ali's analysis of the woes of Muslim countries is too simplistic.

"She fails to bring into her analysis issues such as colonisation and the resulting loss of resources and self-determination.

"It's difficult to combat extremism, for example, in an environment like Iraq where people have suffered a decade of crippling sanctions, two illegal invasions, a missing three trillion dollars and a lack of global investment to replace the huge loss of infrastructure caused by sustained bombing by foreign governments. Any analysis that doesn't address these kinds of issues, along with issues of marginalisation, is far from complete."

It appears that your source was probably 'stuff', NZ, March 5, 2017.

The respectful Ayaan Hirsi Ali said that she was hoping for people who are, "interested in civic discussion and debate", adding "I speak out against Islamic law as a moral code and a legal code. I think it's very important to have this discussion and not be inhibited by fears of violence and bigotry."

There is also a similar group of women Islamic academics who were petitioning to censor Ayaan Hirsi Ali in Australia. The SBS gave some oxygen to their petition.

Not supporters of free speech are they? But shouldn't they be heralding Islam as the most feminist religion*?

Feminist Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ev66F8U4L8&t=176s