No Muslim has ever been an imposition to me. Because you get a rouge, does not put spots on every Muslim. Our jails are full of rouges and they are not Muslim or Abbott supporters.

Nugget comes in three shades as far as I know. Black tan and white. I have all three, I class myself as a bowler, even though I have had three games in Australia over five years. I am very welcomed at the bar of my local club.

The whole issue is discrimatory, All nationalities have had their share of discrimination, I believe it has something to do with initiation. Get tough or get out.
Which P M banned calling Italian,s wogs.
The Vietnamese were branded slopes.
The Greek were called greasers.
I am not sure what the Abbo,s branded the habitants of the first fleet.
Australia now is full of mongrelised habitants., and still we critisize newcomers. We can not get any worse so why the intolerance.
When you sleep at night spare a thought for the person beside your mung realised body, you may well realise your best friend is a mongrel also.

Doog and Foxy,

You are reading it wrong.

Tolerance won't stop conflict and civil war.

Especially in the event of a massive economic breakdown,

In fact, I believe tolerating dangerous, fundamentalists religions, only allows
them time to build into big religious tribes.

Elizabeth the 1st of England, in fact, tried tolerance and appeasement with the Catholics, instead of persecution, but said they had to worship at home in private, probably fearing the plotting of the priests trying to shore up their power. But it didn't work, because the Catholics invited the priests and their neighbours to large masses in their homes. So the plotting for Catholic power continued in secret.
They attempted at least 2 assassinations of Elizabeth, plotting to put the Catholic Scottish Queen on the throne of England, which would have also returned power to the Catholic priests.

When those attempts failed, a big army of Catholic men on horses rode on London
to take the city and kill Elizabeth themselves. Elizabeth could no longer be tolerant
of them. She cut off 700heads of those involved and hung them as a warning on
posts around London streets.
Elizabeth believed in freedom of religious belief. But the Catholics, called Elizabeth,
a heretic (meaning- of the devil) sound familiar, infidel? They thought it was their holy duty to kill the devil.

Just pointing out, that tolerating groups with extreme beliefs won't save you from
their ambitions in the long term. It is a fallacy, that tolerating big religious tribes will
result in peace. History demonstrates.in many bloody examples, that the opposite is in fact true.

CHERFUL,
Exactly.

Hi Doog,

Down this way in beautiful SA, the Ngarrindjeri still call whitefellas 'Gringkari': it refers to the white skin which is seen on a dead body as the outer skin peels away: the ghost skin. Shortened to 'Krinks' these days.

Anne Aly MP has suggested that it should be illegal to criticise Islam, since that would be akin to racism. Of course, Islam is a religion, not a 'race'. But if Islam can't be criticised, then neither can any other religion. As a Leftist and atheist, I think that's far too restrictive of freedom of speech. Religions are ideas, ideologies, and everyone should be free to analyse and criticise any ideas in a free society.

Perhaps it's drawing a long bow, but Aly seems to be demanding that eventually Shari'a law be imposed, first on all Muslims, then on the rest of Australia as a country belonging to Allah, as all countries are perceived by strict Muslims to be. Aren't you glad that Aly is a 'moderate', dedicated to deradicalising Muslim youth ?

I hope that Ayaan Hirsi Ali comes to Adelaide on her tour: now there's a genuine 'moderate' Muslim. Incredibly brave, up there with Malala Yusufzai.

Cheers,

Joe

@Foxy, Thursday, 30 March 2017 5:22:36 PM, "You need to go back and read my posts"

You must have a book of patronising put-downs for all occasions.

However it is very obvious that I do read posts in detail. Or else I wouldn't have challenged you for copying and pasting a slab of text from the very hardline Muslim women activists in NZ who were petitioning to censor Ayaan Hirsi Ali. I also noted a similar, sinister group of what the SBS called 'Muslim women academics' (probably public bureaucrats too although the SBS would keep that under wraps) who tried to do the same thing in Australia.

Your glib reply you just found the words and sentiments as agreeable and useful to you 'made sense to you' you said (and somehow you didn't attribute the lengthy cut and paste either), is the very point I was endeavouring to make and of course you understand that despite your usual rhetorical artifice of pleading ignorance and acting surprised.

In another post you try to diminish Ayaan Hirsi Ali's and 'her supporters' credibility with a backhander, "Ayaan Hirsi Ali is promoted as a "women's rights"
activist and champion. Her supporters see a self-affirming image, one that validates their beliefs of the backwardness, barbarity and danger of Islam and Muslims".

That is only her supporters eh? And No, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not as you pretend attacking all Muslims. She is very disciplined in listing what she finds offensive and dangerous in ISLAM and she disagrees with White Knights and other apologists who claim that criticism of Islam is Islamophobia or 'racist'.

contd.
Of course Ayaan Hirsi Ali is right to be concerned about the cruel medieval, unreformed and uninformed beliefs of Islam and she has a duty to warn the well-meaning, accepting, vulnerable public in NZ and Australia. -Where incidentally if any of the harsh slagging of the Australian public (as 'racists' and 'xenophobes'!) by the invited 'multicultural experts' on ABC's Q&A and its other 'public affairs' shows was true, any such warning would be superfluous.

It is all 'Open Doors' for all comers isn't it and full steam ahead for 'Diversity' and a Big Australia, without consultation with the Australian public and regardless of the public's opinions and safety.

Of course government has a duty to be discriminating (not the political correct abuse of that word) in who is allowed in and emphatically YES, many mistakes have been made especially where large numbers are admitted.

Now what about some support for the Muslims who like other ethnic groups before, are stunned that the stupid Australian authorities supported by the virtue signalling (but 'White' hating) leftists, have carelessly imported the very tyrants, thugs, criminals and toxic cultural traditions that they escaped from and despise.