Emperor,

It's not till conception that they are combined; didn't you know that?

Hi Is Mise,

Presumably when a foetus is viable, when it can survive outside the womb, with the aid of modern medical techniques. And they get pushed back further and further in a pregnancy. So probably in the fifth month or so of pregnancy ?

Cheers,

Joe

In the US until 1973 the practice of abortion was
generally illegal except under limited conditions
primarily where the health of the mother or the
unborn child was at serious risk. However,
"backstreet" abortions by private physicians or even
by untrained practitioners were fairly common.
In that year the Supreme Court decided, in the case
of "Roe v. Wade" that American women do have the
right to abortion, if for whatever reason, they do
not wish to bear the child.

This right is not absolute, however, for the court
recognised that the unborn child seems to become more
human as it develops, over the course of pregnancy,
from a cluster of cells to an embryo and then a fetus.

On the medical evidence available at the time, the
court divided pregnancy into three periods of three
months each, or trimesters.

In the first trimester, the mother is entitled to
abortion on demand. In the second trimester, the right
to abortion remains, but is subject to regulation by
each state. In the third trimester, when abortions are
more difficult to perform and when the fetus is
potentially viable or capable of independent life -
all abortions are barred unless the health or life of
the mother is in danger.

Today about one in every four pregnancies in the US
ends through abortion, and in some areas like
New York State, there are almost as many abortions as
live births.

In short, abortion is being used as a means of
"after-the-fact birth control". To some people, this
is a matter of no particular significance; to others, it
is little short of mass murder.

In answer to Is Mise, there is no human being until more than 20 weeks after conception, and even then it is only with the onset of sentient self-awareness that a human being with human rights starts to emerge. The USA and decent states like WA recognise this in their laws. Woman-haters focus on the initial 20 weeks when there no human being (only the potential for human beings as in everyone whether there is conception or even any contact or not. The reason woman-haters focus on the first 20 weeks is that this enables them to blackmail women out of their right of choice even when it extends back to morning-after pills.

reports now coming through that the religion of ' peace' has contributed to man being fatally stabbed in Queenbeyan. Another 'lone wolf' I suspect.

"reports now coming through that the religion of ' peace' has contributed to man being fatally stabbed in Queenbeyan. Another 'lone wolf' I suspect." (runner)

We can bet the appeasers will be quick to attribute it to something personal like lunacy - anything but the Moslem religion.