Hi Cherful,

You're right:

"Societies where women have no say, don't tend to advance and thrive, because men like to hold onto power for themselves, no matter what the consequences, with no understanding for the unhappiness and misery they cause."

and there's a word for it:

'Culture'.

Can anybody name a 'culture' in the world which doesn't promote or pump up men at the expense of women, one way or another ? Is 'culture' merely the smokescreen for male dominance in any society ?

Cheers,

Joe

Any society that does not take advantage of women's abilities is
destined to look like, errr the Middle East.
I think that historically, very historically, the hunter gather scheme
was very natural.
The men went off hunting and that could be a dangerous occupation.
Certainly women encumbered by small children could not take part.
However gathering foods such as berries and nuts and root vegetables
gave women a lot of knowledge of plants.
I would bet that the first farmers were women who realised that if
they planted some of the plants near where they lived they would save
a lot of walking. And so agriculture was born !

The rest is history.

Foxy,

Of course, guide dogs must be accepted but that didn't stop Muslim taxi drivers from refusing them passage.

for your information you ignored the earlier part of my post, so here it is again:
"Islam is not only cruel to humans, dogs, under Islam, [generally] lead a very poor life".

Loudmouth, "Can anybody name a 'culture' in the world which doesn't promote or pump up men at the expense of women, one way or another?"

But hasn't the national broadcaster already brought to the screen a parade of Muslim women, some converts, who say that Islam is feminist? One recently expressed what the others were probably thinking, that Islam is the most feminist religion. She could have added culture, one supposes, but Islam is an ideology that covers everything (especially women and with a dark tent, a cynic might say).

So there you have it. To be liberated a woman just needs Islam, that magical Sharia Law and a bolt of expensive, attention-getting cloth to wear as a headdress (the bigger the better until it assumes the dimensions of a rail-head grain silo). Then by some miracle of the ABC's Transporter (Star Trek) she appears on a podium at the ABC, being fawned over while she talks about (you guessed it), herself.

First World countries like Australia could have saved many millions of dollars if only they had adopted Sharia from the outset instead of wasting money on all of that equal employment, affirmative action and so on. However, according to some it is not too late to correct those mistakes.

It may be me, but perhaps the feminists concerned have the liberty to pick and choose what they want from Islam (creed and lifestyle choices), because they are in Australia and rough men (and women) stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

Dear Is Mise,

The taxi drivers that you refer to were in the
UK and were fined $500 each for their
bad behaviour.

Here is a link that gives the details concerning
guide dogs and taxis in the UK:

http://www.guidedogs.org.uk/media/8240022/access-guide-taxis.pdf

Foxy,

The taxi drivers to whom I referred were in Australia, however, it makes no difference where they were.

"Muslim taxi drivers are refusing to transport guide dogs and passengers carrying alcohol.
At least 20 blind Melburnians have lodged discrimination complaints with the Victorian Taxi directorate, News Limited reports.
Complaints have also been lodged against drivers who refuse to allow passengers to carry sealed bottles of alcohol.
Victorian Taxi Association spokesman Neil Sach said the association had appealed to the mufti of Melbourne to allow Muslim cabbies to carry guide dogs.
Dogs are considered unclean by many Muslims, and the issue is difficult for some drivers.
"I don't refuse to take people, but it's hard for me because my religion tells me I should not go near dogs," driver Imran said.
Guide Dogs Victoria spokeswoman Holly Marquette said blind people regularly reported taxi drivers refusing to allow them on board with their dogs.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Muslim-taxis-refuse-to-carry-guide-dogs/2006/10/08/1160245991954.html

So, Foxy, get around that and, while you're at it,
for your information you ignored the earlier part of my earlier post, so here it is again:
"Islam is not only cruel to humans, dogs, under Islam, [generally] lead a very poor life"