You guys have played too many violent video games and have become insecure. Grow up! When I was young I shot rabbits and foxes on the farm. In the last 50 years I have never used a firearm. I have never been threatened or needed the use of a weapon to defend myself. I have killed many snakes by the use of a stick or hoe. Only the short tempered need guns to defend themselves, because they quickly make enemies. If you are driving around with a firearm in your car, you are breaking the law and are prone to use it in road rage.

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about, over this Turkish Lever Action, 12g, 7 shot Shotgun. If the existing laws permit the current model with a capacity of 5 rds, why not 7 rds? As somebody stated herein, a shotgun in the hands of a relatively skilled shooter, is an effective man-killer at reasonably close ranges depending of course on what loads they choose? The standard OO buckshot with 9 x .33cal pellets being the preferred load.

At the end of the day, anyone with reasonable proficiency with a 'shotty' would be as lethal with a 12g in side by side configuration, as this Lever Action thing with 7 x 12g cartridges on board.

If our Law-makers are so concerned with this Turkish piece, capable of accepting 7 rds. in 12g, then we should totally ban ALL shotguns, which would make no sense whatsoever. Moreover, the only 'shotty' that would concern me marginally, would be anything in the self- loading configuration like your; Benelli M1 Tactical; the Berretta 1200FP; or Mossberg 9200A1; or my favourite in the self-loaders, the Remington mod. 11R (Riot) or Remington 11-87P(Police).

My preferred Gun over all models is the stock standard, Remington 870P (tried 'n tested) - The Smith & Wesson mod.3000 is a real classic for a slide action, no longer mfg. now?

The big daddy of 'em all, is undoubtedly the South African 'Striker' 12g, carrying 12 rds in a rotary magazine, with a folding stock! I had the opportunity to dispatch 24 rounds out of it, when in the USA some years back, though 'feeding' issues presented, as the action warmed, and 'cycled' too rapidly?

Wouldn't our pathetic, weak-kneed politicians go 'ape-ship' if you tried to import any of these little fellas, into a very tender hearted OZ hey? Another (political) example of ballistic masturbation?

Paul,

"As a firearm is sometimes the only adequate means of defence then every Australian has the right to have a firearm, just as every US citizen has that same right."

I stand by that statement, because it is true.
As self defence is a right then having the means to defend is also a right, simple as that.

Don't you agree that we have the right to defend ourselves against unlawful attack?

Home Hill Stabbing Frenzy Lasted Hours

http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/crime/home-hill-hostel-owner-stabbing-frenzy-lasted-hours/news-story/a8b50e417c9ed2e87aa12bbb4d41dd99

What about if there aren't any police to control a situation?
(They could've flown a chopper there from Lavarack)
Should the general public have been subjected to this for hours?
What would the anti-gunners recommend for situations like this?

If there aren't police to protect the general public, what then?

AC,
Seriously disturbed individuals are very rare. The guy at Home Hill was seriously disturbed. How do you think the presence of elderly vigilantes running around with loaded firearms would have helped the victims of that attack? Would the attack have been even more traumatic for all concerned if some would-be John Wayne tried to shoot the guy and had his weapon taken away and used against him, or if some other innocent was shot in the course of our hero's campaign for truth, justice and the blowing of people away?

Personally, I say keep playing those wargames on the computer fellas, it's the best place for guns.

Is Mise,

Your belief that all of us have the right to defend ourselves is not unreasonable, what is contentious is how far that right should extend. Should all citizens be given the right to carry a firearm to effect that right of self defense, in my opinion, no!
I say the negatives associated with uncontrolled gun use and ownership far outweigh any possible benefits. In the ideal world your notion might work, the goodies would shoot the badies, and all would be well. Unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world, and a lot of innocent people would be hurt by what you want.
In NSW on the whole we have a very good, well trained, police force to enforce the laws, we also have responsible elected representatives to make those laws, and a judicial system to administer the law. What you propose is a undisciplined, uncontrolled system which will be unworkable and extremely dangerous!