The problem with police today is, that rather than learning their trade from the ground up, out on the street, the top jobs all go to university trained criminologists. All too many of these people have very little actual street level copper work to give them the experience they need.

They have been given a left leaning, elitist education, which is where this business of the criminals rights comes from.

All rights must be forfeited when someone starts threatening innocent members of the public. Criminal rights should be limited to a roof over their head in prison.

The same thing is happening in the courts. Feather duster punishment for criminals, & stuff all just6ice for those offended against.

Excessively generous welfare, & no punishment for criminal or antisocial behaviour makes our current system look pretty much like the mobs of Rome era, when that empire was collapsing. Bread & circus is pretty much what we have today. Is our collapse very far off?

Arm Chair
No I'm not arguing , just asked O Sung a q on facts. The Clinton emails and army equipment thing is satire , irony, humour. known as "joke".
And no, the knife man was in Armidale with no other facts. Just standing still holding a cafe knife , no one around but 2 witnesses at a distance in a car park.

ttbn, as far as I am aware, the Coroner has not yet released their report into into the deaths arising from the Lindt Café siege. Speculation as to who did, or should have done, what and why, does not help. http://www.lindtinquest.justice.nsw.gov.au/

Tom W.

Tom
Are you Russian?

For 'Ch..t' sake give us all the benefit of a reference as to precisely what it is you're talking about NICKNAMENICK ! I get a little precious when some mug comes along and starts berating police when he himself wasn't there, and wouldn't have a fundamental idea what it was that happened. If you attended the Coronial Enquiry then perhaps you can speak with some authority ? However in your case mate, you're simply slinging off at the coppers without knowing any of the facts ! PLEASE provide us all with an accurate reference as to what it is you're complaining about, and then it can be discussed with some modicum of knowledge !

Hi there HASBEEN...

You're quite right. Today too much prominence is placed on academic achievement and not nearly enough on recruiting individuals with common sense and pragmatism. I do accept we do need smart, well educated people, but people who have an abundance of 'street smarts', and common sense would be an absolute bonus.

Don't get me wrong, there are heaps of blokes and women in police command who have what it takes to run any operation. But there are others, who are near the top who are too nervous, and too scared of what the media will say about the way an operation is run.

If they shoot an offender; the police are described as being too gun happy, consequently they're killers! Stand back in an endeavor to 'wait out' an offender; police are considered too indecisive and unable to successfully prosecute the operation, so bring in the Army ?

Damned if you do; damned if you don't ?

O Sung Wu, your lament sounds all too familiar...the ADF has likewise become "corporatised" "sanitised" and all very touchy feely in recent years. Sadly, like the police in every jurisdiction of our sunburnt land, the upper management is being the puppeteers of politicians

The fact of private soldiers being pilloried as is the case with Commando 'Dave' speaks volumes. The foot soldiers will be given a task...often with a sketchy outline of responsibilities, they will carry out that task to the best of their training and abilities...and then, all too often to be left out to dry.

Coppers on the beat, specialist departments ditto.

The style of management that evidently pervades current corporate thinking and mentality ( I often refer to this as the 'MCDONALDS style') and the "whatever it takes" mentality simply and plainly is not working and needs to be addressed pronto.