"It is not polite to say that pre-contact Aboriginal society was abusive to women and generally violent."
Beach, you make these sweeping statements based on pure supposition, you can say what you like, but producing evidence is another matter. Your posts concerning Indigenous people are always negative, and often unsubstantiated, using one instance of negativity, in one area, to generalize negativity in another.

Hi Paul,

Violence against women is common (no, I didn't say universal) in tribal societies, whether they were/are Scottish, Arab, Yanomamo or Aboriginal Australian.

And OTB is quite right to say that it is not polite in some circles to say so. So what evidence do you need ? ABS statistics ? Anecdotal evidence ? Hospital records ?

In the old documents that I typed up (on www.firstsources.info), there were many, many instances of men's violence towards 'their' women, at least in South Australia, from the earliest days. Admittedly, many men who beat their wives to death honestly didn't realise that in this new imperialist/colonialist system, beating one's wife to death was an offence, so they usually got only a couple of years, sometimes a lot less.

The missionary at Point McLeay was also the local medical attendant and was called out regularly to treat brutally beaten women. One woman with her upper arm bone sticking out after a beating with a fence paling. But of course, that's their culture, I suppose you might say, Paul: we should respect that. No, shove it, it has no place in civilized society anywhere. Call me racist.

Why do men do that these days in remote 'communities' ? Because they can. Because the women are likely to be on their husband's country, and on their own country, men can do what they damn-well like.

'Culture' is usually - argue with me if you think I'm wrong - male-dominated, serving the interests of men rather than women or, of course, children. Culture is thus usually a system of oppression, and a system for 'normalising' that oppression and passing it down to future generations, justifying it, sanctioning it, particularly the oppression of women and children.

Wouldn't you agree ?

Cheers,

Joe

One cartoon sums up the problem more than the millions wasted on a royal commission.

Paul,

On all the metrics the aboriginal on aboriginal violence are not just a little more violent but many times more violent than normal, incl domestic assault, other assaults rape and child abuse. These metrics also extend to breaking and entering, muggings and other criminal activities which results in the jails being swamped with aboriginal youth.

The left whingers solution is not to punish Aboriginal criminals, and not to take aboriginal children away from abusive parents, where reason dictates that reducing aboriginal incarceration should be driven by a reduction in aboriginal offending, and that these children deserve protection from abusive parents just as much as every other child.

You only need to see the outrage at Bleak's cartoon to realise that the left whingers have their heads firmly in the sand. (I was going to say somewhere else)

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2a3fde5c3c7e0503bc1a3b7e0be01530?width=1024

Bill Leak's satire is not appreciated in some quarters.

His follow-up is even better,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-05/bill-leak-defends-controversial-cartoon/7693244

There is furious buzzing in the hive.

Joe, Twisting what OTB said to suit, quote; "It is not polite to say that pre-contact Aboriginal society was abusive to women and generally violent."

Your spin "And OTB is quite right to say that it is not polite in some circles to say so. So what evidence do you need ? ABS statistics ? Anecdotal evidence ? Hospital records?"

Have all of the above ABS statistics, Anecdotal evidence, Hospital records,and anything else you've got to back up an unsubstantiated statement by OTB. just to verify that pre-contact Aboriginal society was abusive to women and generally violent.