Hi Paul,

Yes, you're right: " .... whitey once more determined matters concerning him. ... "

if you mean that it is up to Aboriginal people, parents, themselves, to take responsibility for their children, guide them properly, so as to avoid idiot and criminal behaviour that gets them into places like Don Dale. Is that what you meant ?

It must be very difficult for people moving from a hunter-gatherer ethic to a 'community' sit-down ethic: in one type of society, boom and bust, people were constantly on the move, especially women (of course), looking, looking, looking for food for the day: if they didn't find enough, they went hungry (including the kids); if they found plenty, they 'sat down' until it was gone, then on the move again.

Then along comes those bastard missionaries and others with, effectively, unlimited rations. What do people do ? They 'sit down', and stay, especially in drought times when traditionally they would have scattered. And died.

So two things happened with the ration system: an assured supply of food; and no effort required. Meanwhile, the child-rearing practices of a foraging society were easily transferred to a welfare-oriented society - leave kids to themselves: as if a parent's duties finish - in a transformed society - once a kid can feed himself. Piss off.

Well, no. If Aboriginal people are living, and want to live, in effectively a modern society, with all the trappings, steady income, houses, AC, running water, Toyotas - then they take on the obligations of that society. They can't have it both ways: the sweet life on welfare AND not have to look after their kids.

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It's possible that people honestly don't see the changes in how they are now living, and what they might mean in relation to child-rearing (among other things, of course). Certainly, people in remote 'communities' don't see whitefellas ever working (well, not that what they do is perceived as 'work'), so it's reasonable for them to think that no whitefellas really work anywhere in Australia, and that they too get buckets of money from Canberra - that whitefellas might even get more than they do, free houses (and somebody to look after them: seriously), free cars and petrol, etc., in a gigantic Cargo Cult which favours whites.

So, as you say, how to get across to people what 'self-determination' means ? That it means obligations, duties, responsibilities, as well as bounty. In all societies, there is a trade-off between effort and benefits, and the society that people are in, at remote 'communities', is no different.

Thanks again, Paul. I'm relieved that you have started to understand some of the complexities of this syndrome.

Joe

this is what happens when you allow the abc to have their captains pick as pm.

The ABC's Media Watch was even more shameless than usual in buffing up and justifying the ABC's 'expose' of the alleged bad treatment of the 'boys'.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4511291.htm

No-one plays the racism card as often or as obviously as 'their' ABC.

The publicly-funded ABC, the unelected alternative federal government, is working very hard to spin for all of the minorities that it sees as guaranteeing its future in a world where mainstream media is being replaced by other internet sources.

Media Watch spent minutes worrying about other media outlets, a paper in particular, being sent to the wall through eroded audience as social and demographic changes result in young viewers especially deserting newspapers and The Box, or at least its mainstream/traditional channels.

It does seem as though the ABC is feeling it is getting the tap on the shoulder from youth that it is surplus to their needs. The ABC's response is to position itself as further left and radical with short attention grabbing dumbed-down sensationalism. 'Shock, horror', rather than trying to keep its audience with depth in its journalism.

However some newspapers have already become tabloid shadows of their previous broadsheet reputation, but that hasn't helped to stem the gathering flow of audiences to the new kids on the block, where the block is the internet.

There is a high degree of cynicism and negativity towards Aboriginal people in general by some on forum, and in the broader community as well. There are those who stereotype the dysfunctional failings of some as the norm, when that is blatantly untrue. There are many successful Aboriginal people in our modern European style society. I say good on those who have succeeded, despite the obstacles and adversities. As for others, much of a positive nature is still required to make those people also inclusive in our modern European society.

"if you mean that it is up to Aboriginal people, parents, themselves, to take responsibility for their children, guide them properly, so as to avoid idiot and criminal behaviour that gets them into places like Don Dale. Is that what you meant?"

In this case I was talking in the context of this particular Royal Commission. As a desirable objective what you say is most defiantly reasonable. That of course will require change in circumstance, not the least for some Aboriginal people themselves. It is easy to say "You are now responsible" but when you don't have the basic skills to be responsible then it is somewhat difficult to achieve.

'There are many successful Aboriginal people in our modern European style society. I say good on those who have succeeded,'

yeah for sure Paul. The obstacles they have had to overcome mainly due to idiotic leftist ideology makes their success even more amazing. The patronising welfare system is certainly the greatest obstacle to success. Much of the success dare I say have come from what leftist call the 'stolen ' generation.