Hi OTB,

You're forgetting that, to some on the reactionary 'Left', human rights are doled out in accordance with, and grovelling respect for, the culture into which the victim is condemned: if an Australian woman is Moslem, then she should be afforded only those rights which Muslim men decide. Presumably, Australian women who are Hindu are subject to Hindu rules about suttee. And nine-year-old Aboriginal girls can be married off to, and beaten, even to death, by, much older men. After all, it's their culture.

Such a craven approach has a long feudal history: it was common in pre-modern societies for each group to be fenced off and to be allowed to mete out rights according to their own backward rules. Under the ottomans, this was called the 'milayet' or 'milet' system: respective groups in Constantinople would be locked up in their own quarters each night, but controlled their own populations in their own way. Equal rights ? Feh !

Since the 'Left' here doesn't have the courage to evaluate what this might mean for non-Anglo Australians, particularly women, they capitulate to the reactionaries, almost invariably men, in those ethnic groups to which those women are condemned: they are, after all, not 'really', 'fully', Australian, are they ?

As an aside, OTB, you have to admire Paul for his Stand on the Bridge Against the Barbarians, his allies having retired, greviously offended.

Many more battles to come :)

Cheers,

Joe

Beach, you site one case from 2005 in Queensland, as "evidence" that juvenile offenders in the NT know what they are doing is wrong. I do not dispute that many juvenile offenders in the NT do know at the time of committing an offence. what they are doing is wrong.

Joe, thanks for your colorful view of life in 'remote community' I am not sure if it can be extrapolated to cover all remote communities, all of the time. or some of the communities some of the time. The numbers of people living in remote commutes. although significant, is in no way the majorly, in fact well short of that.

From some on the forum, and from many in the wider community, when it comes to matters of juvenile justice, like in the NT they paint a horrible picture, and then place the emphasis on some form of punitive punishment of offenders and little else. They never make reference, or see value in reform, that to them being seen as some kind of useless lefty ideal.

Hi Paul,

I'm glad you mentioned reform - please be careful, such talk can get you expelled from the ranks of the revolution.

In fact, to simultaneously reform, or remedy, many of the factors from A, B, C. ..... to Z, would be a revolution. It's those who look only at one single factor and one well down the cascade of causation, especially at the one factor most visible, who are the anti-revolutionaries.

Yes, there surely must be remote communities where people are treating each other properly, where able-bodied people are working or contributing, and where children are safe. And I'll bet that very few of their kids end up in Don Dale.

And yes, Indigenous remote population is very much a minority - although for this very reason, every aspect of the A, B, C ..... Z problem should be that much easier to remedy. Unless Paul, you meant that, as Chamberlain said about Czechoslovakia in 1938, we shouldn't worry about a small number of people, a long way away, about whom we know little and care less. You didn't mean that ?

Meanwhile, Indigenous university stats for 2015 are about to be published - I'm anticipating 6-8 % lift in commencements and graduations, to 6,000 commencements (a relevant age-group numbers around 11,000), and 2,200 more graduates, to take the total up to around 40,000. I'm sure that will warm your heart.

Cheers,

Joe

Paul1405, 'you site one case from 2005 in Queensland, as "evidence"..'

It is a perfect example, well representative of many being reported all of the time. While the greatest bulk go unreported to authorities. Because to do so would result in immediate retribution - reoffending by the original persecutors and their mates.

The thoughtful journalist and editor have been careful to include the judge's reasons for decision. Those reasons and other evidence reveal the multicultural political correctness that excuses sexual offences (and DV) committed by aboriginal men and 'boys'.

Yet you, your Greens and 'Progressive' leftists have been concealing and ducking the obvious, myriad instances of sexual abuse and extremes of sexual and other violence being committed every day against indigenous children, girls and boys, but girls especially and women.

What do you say about the the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases (STD) in aboriginal girls? Again there is underreporting, with the STD numbers being identified as a consequence of hospital visits for other conditions, often injuries from violent assault. Here are the general population numbers,

ABS, Australian Social Trends, Jun 2012
ABORIGINAL AND TORRES STRAIT ISLANDER PEOPLE

In 2010, 9% of chlamydia notifications were among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, despite this population representing just 2.5% of the total population (as of 2006). ..

In 2010, more than a third (36%, or 3,604) of all gonorrhoea diagnoses were among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. The rate of diagnosis was more than 26 times that for the non-Indigenous population: 804 per 100,000, compared with 30 per 100,000 respectively...

In the same year, 12% of syphilis notifications were among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people..

It is estimated that the prevalence of genital herpes in the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population is 18%, considerably higher than the 12% estimated for the non-Indigenous population"
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Main+Features10Jun+2012#ATSI

Interesting to see that the main concern of 'your' ABC is a question on religion in the forthcoming census. That and playing the race card in the NT.

"It is a perfect example, well representative of many being reported all of the time. While the greatest bulk go unreported to authorities"

Beach, If they are being "reported all of the time". Why do you have to rely on a story more than 10 years old? In one breath, they are being "reported all of the time" in the next its "the greatest bulk go unreported to authorities" If they are "unreported" how then are you privy to this "unreported" information. Do you have a crystal ball, or do you just make it up as you go?

Paul1405,

You obviously believe that the ABS makes up its statistics.

Anyone who denies the violence affecting indigenous women and girls is a complete Jackass and cruelly insensitive to their suffering.

It has historical, cultural roots that need to be challenged,

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/the-long-bloody-history-of-aboriginal-violence/

"The long history of Aboriginal violence — Part II

It is fashionable to excuse the current and appalling levels of Indigenous violence on dispossession and oppression, but the unpalatable truth is that it has been a feature of Aboriginal culture since long before the First Fleet

It is not polite to say that pre-contact Aboriginal society was abusive to women and generally violent. This would undercut the long-standing official view that current violence in Aboriginal communities reflects colonial dispossession and on-going victimhood..."