Well done, Paul,

I just saw that quote from Giles from Hansard on twitter - was going to post it.

Again:

""I would build a big concrete hole and put all the bad criminals in there: ‘Right, you are in the hole, you are not coming out. Start learning about it. Get in the hole’: Adam Giles, NT Parliament, October 20, 2010."

Sally Neighbour's tweet after Giles said he'd never seen the vision on Four Corners - it was all "new to him".

"This beggars belief. It was the cctv vision from within the prison system that @adamgiles' government runs"

It's appalling....

http://twitter.com/abcnews/status/757811910049878017

Before I go into hospital this afternoon I thought
it important to share with you several articles that
I've just been sent via email from New Matilda.
They are distressing - but in my opinion, well worth
a read. Please take the time to do so:

http://newmatilda.com/2016/07/26/nt-juvenile-prison-abuse-the-most-shocking-part-is-that-anyone-is-actually-shocked

And -

http://newmatilda.com/2016/07/22/australias-racism-problem-is-a-growing-emergency/

Hi Poirot,

Giles would have no problem digging that big hole of his, he has lots of mates on the forum who are expert at digging themselves into holes, they could help.
Did you note Giles was only going to put the BAD criminals into his big hole. What was he going to do with the GOOD criminals? Shadow do you know?

Again, to reiterate the "creeping fascism" line, along with my references to the Nazi regime of 1930's Germany and the rise of Hitler...the NT Police use projectiles in their issued Glocks that DO NOT comply with the Hague Convention ( let's not get confused with anyone referring to the Geneva Convention as some would allude to) as it is for military combatants and an entirely different kettle of fish.

The word Dum-Dum bullets is what I brought up back in 2004 to the then Police Minister Paul Henderson. Several cases of unarmed/armed young aboriginal men were mentioned to him, notably that of Ambrose. The culture in the NT of 'frontier cowboys in uniform'...and now we read in today's news of Qld being implicated.

From the Coroners report we read thus: @ http://www.localcourt.nt.gov.au/docs/judgements/2007/20071203ntmc080.html

Section 35 reporting.

108. Pursuant to section 35(3) of the Coroner’s Act, I report to the Commissioner of Police and Director of Public Prosecutions that on 22 October 2002 at Wadeye, a crime contrary to section 154 of the Criminal Code may have been committed which caused serious actual danger to the life, health and safety of Robert Jongmin and Tobias Worumbu in circumstances where an ordinary person similarly circumstanced would have clearly foreseen such danger and not have done the act. The discharge of the firearm resulted in the death of Robert Jongmin and injury to Tobias Worumbu.

Dated this 3rd day of December 2007.

_________________________
GREG CAVANAGH
TERRITORY CORONER

Hi Poirot,

So hurtful. What, only 80 % ?

Come on, you guys, you can give as good as you get. It would be a pity if you boycott OLO. Oh well, never mind. See you.

Anyway, Back-to-topic: mistreatment of children (i.e. under 18) is always appalling, more so if it is covered up. Then we get the tangle about how and why and who is responsible for kids ending up (pro tem) in such places.

We have to understand that how and why, and what the hell to do about it all, is an incredibly complex, many-sided problem. We can think punitive or we can think preventative. We can blame the external environment, the 'system', police, courts, screws, etc. We can write the kids off. We can go back to communities, and ask why parents don't look after their children (colonialism, some might say; because they don't think they have to, others would say). There are mental health issues, even life-long genetic issues such as foetal alcohol syndrome (and who is responsible for that ?) and ADSD, not to mention long-term physical and sexual abuse.

We have to have the courage to ask difficult questions, if only to thoroughly dispose of them. What can be done at each of the many stages in young children becoming violent older children ? How can the custodial system be more positive and less penal ? If there is racism in the system, how can it be identified and reduced ? What can be done so that prisoners are more able, more social, less violent and alienated when they come out ?

Some problems don't have solutions - unless they are tackled comprehensively, on every front, proactively if possible, but remedially if necessary.

The lives - and life-spans - of many people will continue to be diminished if we keep pontificating from our lounge chairs with easy 'answers'.

Joe