As far as I am aware they don't treat adult criminals like this in Australia do they?
Is it because these kids are smaller and less likely to complain if threatened, that they use 3 big adult men to rush in to a small teenagers cell to jump on him, restrain him, and then strip him naked and run out?

It sounds like bullying tactics to me. If it were allowable for criminal behaviours, why don't they try it on the adult criminals?
Because these guards/carers are gross, abusive bullies who would be scared to try it on someone of their own size, and should be locked up themselves with much larger guards in attendance who believe in physical punishments

The disgusting attitude of some posters of the rabid right is typical. Brutalizing of socially disadvantaged children is acceptable? You don't treat a dog the way these children have been treated. Then you have to ask why they are criminals.
Like their parents before them, most of these children never had a chance in life from day one. Neglected, and mistreated from the start, where were these kids going to end up? In the hands of the state where society expected that as a last resort the system would offer some hope of rehabilitation, but when compassion was required, brutality was delivered. Once more the system has failed our kids.

I thought that the story contained glaring omissions about the context of decisions.

The violence of the guards was nothing compared to what some young people are capable of and most of this violence is directed at other inmates. While the cells were too small, I agree with placing particularly violent inmates in solitary confinement.

They cannot have running water because they will flood their cell.

They have to strip highly escalated teenagers, because they can self-harm. The guards have to get in, get the clothes off and get out, because it is the only safe way. They can have a chat to the teenager when they calm down.

We need a mature discussion about a complex issue.

There are good reasons why they use spit hoods and there are good reasons why some young people are not trusted with cutlery. I am aware of another juvenile detention centre where young people who stand up with cutlery in their hands are taken to the floor. Guards have to protect children from each other. What some children lack in size, they make up for in anger and cunning.

The dispute over the phone could have been avoided with an automatic timer.

Juvenile detention gets young people in a routine of going to bed on time, getting up and doing something with their day. They might not keep it up when they get out, but some will. They eat proper food and get the medical attention they need.

'Because these guards/carers are gross, abusive bullies who would be scared to try it on someone of their own size, and should be locked up themselves with much larger guards in attendance who believe in physical punishments'

I suspect strongly Susie that their are far more bully nurses in old peoples homes than there are bully guards.

Yes, Suse and paul.

I don't know about you but for me it's becoming increasingly difficult to peruse this site....the right-wing racist element has burst out of its relative torpor and is now in full uninformed, uncultured and ignorant excrescence up and down the threads.

As someone said in the other section, he stopped coming here because he felt dirty after every visit.

One has to draw the line somewhere.

Think my days here are numbered.