Shadow, just lay your cards on the table, "the kids a bad egg, so lock him up and throw away the key" don't need insincere nonsense about you supporting a royal commission, you don't want to be seen as being on the wrong side. Not long back, like the rest of the rabid right on the forum, you would have been calling for the kids blood. No one, including me, are getting misty eyed or fantasizing about anything.
Yes, Dylan Voller, like so many others, has a terrible record, that is not in dispute. If you could only see past the end of your nose for a minute, what I and others on here want, is to see these children not turn out like they do in the first place, When state intervention is required it is done in such a way the the best interests of the child are served, not gratification for the mob!

Steele, we can only hope it is not too late for Dylan and others. Unfortunately we can't wind back the clock. This time society has failed these children, maybe tomorrows kids will fair better

Paul,

I know you have cognitive problems if issues aren't black or white, and clearly this situation where both parties may be at fault confuses and angers you.

My reasons for a royal commission, while including punishing abusers, is to develop a system that minimises the brutalisation of minors, maximises their rehabilitation, whilst protecting the social workers and custodians from violent and sociopathic offenders. There needs to be a clear and concrete set of recommendations and guidelines otherwise people will simply make things up as they go along.

Unlike you, I believe that many, but not all can be redeemed, and that some through genetics, disease, parental abuse or other factors are a danger to society, and here, FAS plays a terrible part.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/201884-signs-of-a-sociopath-in-children/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/270607-sociopathic-traits-in-children/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2155489/Is-child-psychopath-Its-common-think--spot-danger-signs-young-three.html

Hi SM,

Don't mind Paul: he concocts his paranoid fantasies, then imposes them on others - what others 'might' do, which shows what bastards they are. [Actually, more likely it's what Paul would do in their shoes.]

We know, surely, that what is happening to young people in detention, is just one stage from birth to premature death: from early abuse and neglect, through to a early, often violent, end.

There have been separate enquiries, ad nauseam, into each compartmentalised step along the way from A to B, C, D, E, F, .......[this one is, let's say, step M] ..... down to X, Y and Z. No government has the courage to step back and assesses the entire syndrome.

So we get the 'All Children are Sacred' investigation, the Mulligan Report, etc., reports into early abuse and neglect, into schooling, into the chronic lack of employment in remote communities, nutritional studies, all manner of intervention programs, child mortality studies, drug, grog and smoking studies, deaths in custody investigations, relatively vast numbers of kids being taken into care (and studies of that), renal studies, heart studies, etc., etc.

Sometimes problems are so huge and complex that it's easier to deny that they exist. Then they rear up and bite somebody on the arse, and they have to take notice. What is happening in remote 'communities' is in this category.

And sometimes problems don't have solutions at all, not if all the nettles are not grasped in coordination. Is this one of them ?

Joe

So Joe, other that a bit of stroking of poor old Shadows ego. what would you propose doing about what is after all a terrible situation. The Royal Commission is to be headed by former NT Chief Justice Brian Martin, with terms of reference extending back to 2006.

Failings in the child protection and youth detention systems of the Government of the Northern Territory;

The effectiveness of any oversight mechanisms and safeguards to ensure the treatment of detainees was appropriate;

Cultural and management issues that may exist within the Northern Territory youth detention system;

Whether the treatment of detainees breached laws or the detainees’ human rights; and

whether more should have been done by the Government of the Northern Territory to take appropriate measures to prevent the reoccurrence of inappropriate treatment.

Paul,

We can all put blinkers on and look only at one particular facet of a huge and complex syndrome. Or we can tackle the problems at their source, or as close to the source as possible, as well as simultaneously tackle as many of the consequences, and consequences of consequences, as possible. i.e. as soon as possible to tackle as many of the feeder-problems as possible. To focus on only one facet is to doom the whole thing to failure. As I suggested,

"Sometimes problems are so huge and complex that it's easier to deny that they exist. Then they rear up and bite somebody on the arse, and they have to take notice. What is happening in remote 'communities' is in this category.

"And sometimes problems don't have solutions at all, not if all the nettles are not grasped in coordination. Is this one of them ?"

It's time to stop prevaricating. People's lives, those of the next generation and beyond, are at stake.

Joe

"Or we can tackle the problems at their source, or as close to the source as possible, as well as simultaneously tackle as many of the consequences, and consequences of consequences, as possible. i.e. as soon as possible to tackle as many of the feeder-problems as possible."

Joe were you quoting Sir Humphrey Appleby, by any chance?

The Royal Commission is to address the immediate problems of a rough state, Australia's very own version of North Korea when it comes to juvenile justice. Adam Giles from The Country Liberal Party sounds like Kim Jong-un on this. Why did Turnbull allow Giles and his CLP cronies any input at all is hard to fathom.The Royal Commission despite any possible interference from the NT CLP should do a reasonable job with what it has been asked to do.