Thanks Foxy for your contributions, I for one will miss you, all the best and please look after yourself.

Cheers Paul.

otb,

You really are a piece of work.

Did you watch the vision?

The child was standing with his back against a wall. There was "no gas". He was violently grabbed around the neck and forced onto a mattress on the floor. Two burly men then violently pulled off his shorts followed by his underpants. There was "no" white gown nearby. Everything was removed from the room except the foam mattress and the naked child.

In the preceding video clip, he was thrown through the air onto a mattress. If his head had hit the wall, he would have been seriously injured.

And here you are trying to tell us that the thuggish guards assaulting him were concerned about non-existent gas (in this instance) and soiled underclothing. There is no indication of either...merely a child being violently assaulted by people who are charged with his care.

"No-one will be excusing or defending any wrongs by the staff involved."

Guffaw!...says otb after excusing and defending the wrongs.

"The ABC should have identified the approved protocols first, then outlined the presenting threat and environment, before using its large wooden spoon and generating speculative allegations, wouldn't you say?"

No I wouldn't say.

What I will say is that you are a very weird person, and I'm glad my only contact with you is through a nebulous forum.

Thanks to otb's latest, I think the odium here has reached critical mass.

Foxy is leaving (I wish you well, Foxy...)

So am I.

All The Best

Dear Foxy,

A strong decision and one that I applaud. I don't see things getting better here anytime soon and having this place impacting your health was never going to be sustainable.

You leave a great many people who have deeply valued the manner with which you have conducted yourself over the years.

I hope you find another community online that instead nourishes and enriches you because you certainly deserve it.

All the best mate.

Dear Poirot,

It's been quite a ride. Trying to keep the bastards honest does take its toll. You have willingly and with gusto taken it up to people I have long given up on. Full credit to you.

Take really good care of yourself.

Poirot,

See here,

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/guard-assault-was-lawful-court/news-story/655281807f78362cc382f84182331191

<Guard 'assault' was lawful: court

THE brutal restraining of a 13-year-old Dylan Voller was given the green light by the Territory’s justice system, which found a 115kg guard forcing Voller to the ground was a “reasonable” use of force.

The guard, Derek Tasker, was charged with aggravated assault against Voller, following a police investigation that was initially hampered by “lost” footage from the Aranda House youth detention centre in Alice Springs in 2009.

The guards stormed the cell to strip Voller’s cell and tear his clothes off because he had reportedly threatened to harm himself.

Voller featured prominently in Monday’s night Four Corners program, Australia’s Shame, which led to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to today announce a royal commission into the abuse of youths in the Northern Territory corrections system.

The partially recovered footage showed Tasker, who had been trained in “professional assault”, using his whole body weight to pin down the “small of stature and slight of build” Voller, who weighed an estimated 45-50kg at the time.

Then Magistrate Daynor Trigg found Voller to be an honest witness despite having reputation as a troublesome prisoner.

“There was no obvious exaggeration in the way Voller gave his evidence,” Mr Trigg found.

But Mr Trigg — whose decision was upheld on appeal — found Tasker’s assault was lawful...

On appeal, Supreme Court Justice Peter Barr found Tasker’s putting his knee to Voller’s neck was “reasonably skilful, and swiftly executed”.

Mr Trigg said that if he had found the assault to be unlawful, he would have found that Voller suffered harm.

Voller gave evidence that he suffered a sore back and jaw for days after the attack.

Tasker described Voller, who was first put in youth detention as a 12-year-old, “an extremely difficult child to deal with”.>
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/guard-assault-was-lawful-court/news-story/655281807f78362cc382f84182331191

I wondered how long it would take the rabid right to shift the blame onto the kids. Just as those they transgressed against, these children are also victims. Not something the rabid right will agree with.

Take a puppy and belt him everyday, and you are likely to end up with a savage dog that bites the hand that feeds him. So then you belt him some more.

Beach, your finger pointing to the "facts" about Dylan Voller are not denied. In fact I would say given time the boy Dylan Voller will turn into the man Dylan Voller and there is every chance he will murder someone. And if we had capital punishment, someone just like you could pull the leaver, and we could hang Dylan Voller, end of problem!