Poirot,

Here! Here!

Returning to the OP, the Martin Place terrorist hostage taker planned and executed serious crimes and horrific threats that violated the rights of ordinary citizens and the community in multiple ways.

To a lesser extend because there are fewer innocent victims, the feral/s who coldly carry out home invasions do the same.

Before going any further, one should be very clear about the stance of the Australian Greens and the NSW 'Watermelon' faction in particular. Greens pay lip service to the right of defence, while compromising, hampering, penalising - re-victimising - the citizen who is forced to defend him-/herself. I covered that previously, in particular the reversed standard of proof against the hapless victim who defends him-/herself.

Of course those inconvenient facts were ducked by the leftists and Greens. No surprise either that the NSW Greens blocked more serious penalties for weapons crime that was moved by the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party. Or that in Qld, Labor and Greens are trashing the successful Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013, enacted to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offenses".

Leftists and Greens are always on the front foot to protect and extend the rights of offenders, but dismissive where the harm inflicted on the victims and society is concerned. Victim's rights are rarely if ever mentioned by leftists and Greens.

Martin Place Terrorism
The victims and their loved ones will bear the scars for life. Some loved ones will never get to fulfill the promise of their lives, for they are dead. The coldly calculated, planned actions of the Islamist terrorist led to that.

I wonder if those who are more concerned about the terrorist's rights and apologists for the medieval creed Islam and Islamofacism ever stop to think about how they might be revictimising the terrorist's victims and their families and friends. Shucks no, there are political points to be scored they would imagine. Useful idiots and enablers are not restricted to Marxism.

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Hey onthebeach,
'Greens pay lip service to the right of defence, while compromising, hampering, penalising - re-victimising - the citizen who is forced to defend him-/herself.'

I read yesterday where one man with a knife fought off three home invaders with a gun, and got thrown in jail (sentenced to 4 years) and had to pay €21,000 restitution to the intruders for defending his home.
It's an upside-down world we live in.

http://www.infowars.com/finland-man-thrown-in-prison-for-using-excessive-self-defense-against-home-invaders/

Poirot,

I give it and I can take it. I'm not in the least fazed. You are a bit of a pig, yourself.

Ismise,

Surely you mean hear hear, if you are toadying to the above, not "here, here". The ignorance of you blokes about your own language is appalling.

continued..

The Terrorist's 'Rights'

Where political correctness is as deeply embedded as it is in Australia and there is a daily procession of sacrifices, the more trivial the offence against the prevailing PC of multiculturalism and the more severe the humiliation and penalty, the higher the strengthening of that political correctness and the abuse of freedom of speech and the ordinary citizen's rights associated with freedom of speech and living in a democracy.

From reports, the police command was highly sensitive to the 'rights' of the terrorist. Whereas the first and ONLY concern while the deadly threat existed should have been the lives, wellbeing and safety of the hostages, the public and police.

The public is not aware and in all likelihood will never be, of the politics that were being played in the background while threat continued - for hour after hour.

Where the political idealism and political correctness of Obama, President of the US, does not allow him to even mention the M(uslim), T(errorism) and I(slam) words together and despite the obviousness of a terrorist incident, there is reason to wonder if political correctness has gone too far and could be causing decision makers to hesitate, which is the purpose of PC and can only advantage terrorists and other criminals.

There are the many, many single serious incidents of child molestation, rape, sex trafficking that made up the wholesale sex abuses of Rotherham and others centres in the UK. Political correctness is very powerful and as proved by the UK examples, can make (psychological) hostages out of police and other public authorities (especially politicians and functionaries) who should one would imagine have a very clear view where the priorities and rights lie.

Hi there TTBN...

I don't believe you're a terrible person, rather you're simply rude. To call anyone on this Forum a Pig is insulting. To call POIROT, a mature lady a Pig...well I think you've finally 'outed' yourself as a callow and utterly puerile little 'punk' for saying such a disgusting and thoroughly loathsome thing about any women. Not to mention being downright unchivalrous as well. You'd best not repeat such a remark in mixed company ? I feel very sure, if you did, you'd be down on your face 'sucking concrete'.

FYI - It's not my place to enter a back cell in the middle of the night and interview a helpless drunk ? What a positively odd remark ?