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Terrorists' Rights.

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Rosie Connellan's reaction is understandable, and we should be sympathetic to her, and others who suffered grievously because of the actions pf Man Monis. What we must not loose sight of is we live in a civilized society governed by the rule of law. To do anything else is playing into the hands of terrorists, people who do not respect our civilized way of life or the rule of law.
As painful as it may be the words of the police officer are true "I can’t ignore Man Monis as an individual. He had the same rights as anyone else.” A knee jerk reaction of 'shoot first, ask questions later' may be satisfying for some, but in the long run it would be our undoing.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 7:18:06 AM
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First, apologists for Islam would have terrorists like Monis to be seen as 'mad', or a 'lone wolf'.

Second, the evidence is mounting that where Monis was concerned, police command inexplicably hesitated in fulfilling their responsibilities to the hostages and the public.

Police command is NOT entirely separate from political consultation and direction. There are questions to be asked there too, 'Why put hostages at risk where a marksman's instantly paralysing deadly shot was possible?'.

Apparently, police command also refused the offer of support from the skilled SAS and Commandos who had practiced in a mock-up of the cafe and environs.

The public would be excused for wondering if the (multicultural) political correctness that for years prevented British police (and UK Labour) from taking immediate action on complaints against Kashmiri child molesters in centres like Rotherham was apparent and affected decision making and action on the Lindt Cafe terrorist.

It is interesting that one of the prime considerations of police command (politicians too?) was the terrorist's rights. Yet if some random offender confronts police with a knife there is no hindering, delaying consideration of the offender's 'rights'. The police act immediately to protect themselves and the public, and have previously said that such confrontations do not get any better through waiting and any delay could result in more casualties.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 7:25:23 AM
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rehctub,

"Mikk...So how exactly are the police supposed to tell if monis was a terrorist or just a madman? Its easy with hindsight to judge and criticise."

Erm...

"Asio agents were at every court hearing of the Sydney siege gunman in the year leading up to him taking 18 hostages at the Lindt cafe, an inquest has heard.

Officers from Australia’s spy agency watched Man Haron Monis walk free on bail after being charged with being an accessory to murder in December 2013 and then again when he was charged with sex offences in May 2014. When 37 further sexual and indecent assault offences were brought against him in October 2014 neither police nor the director of public prosecutions applied to have his bail revoked.

Asio agents were at the hearings but police involved in the cases were not made aware at the time that they were there."

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/19/asio-agents-attended-all-court-dates-of-lindt-cafe-gunman-in-year-before-seige

He was well and truly on the radar.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 7:40:57 AM
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The police are in a no win situation.
They do have to consider the rights of the offender.
Firstly it is not a situation that they can get experience with.
When they face the problem it will almost certainly their first time.
Lets hope they do not get experienced.
The opportunity to shoot Monis may have occurred but though layers of
glass, perhaps thick strong glass with parallax errors and the bullet
might hit the explosive that he might have in the backpack ?
Sounds a bit of a dodgey proposition to me.

The word game is perhaps valid to use.
There is a technique called "Games Theory" which is used to apply
to all sorts of situations. Military operations, business takeovers,
politics all sorts of things including I suspect police sieges.
When the officer used the word games it may have had his training in mind.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 9:16:33 AM
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I say this with every bit of revulsion I can muster IS MISE !

Unfortunately, again I say, UNFORTUNATELY, in this day and age of high police accountability, he's right. Man MONIS does have the same rights as anyone else ! Certain members of the public have decried the 'apparent' lack of public accountability of police, to a point they're often damned if they do, and damned if they don't - political correctness remains healthy and brisk in it's ever widening coverage in our community.
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:31:45 AM
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In my view, the creature had no rights at all. The cop's remark was, indeed, disgraceful and he was not a fit person to be dealing with the situation.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 11:35:27 AM
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