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Terrorists' Rights.

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I would think that there are at least two major types of incidence.
The Static and the Active.
The Linde cafe was a static incidence.
The truck event in Nice was an active incidence.

They would be handled quite differently.
There may be other types of incidences.
A terrible job working in that field.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:58:16 PM
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'...a terrible job working in that field...' says BAZZ !

You're so right my friend, it's very easy for people sitting comfortably in their home making statements - the cops should do this or do that, and I understand it fully. After all, when you watch a game of League and the Ref makes a bad decision or misses something we feel cheated consequently we give him a real 'serve' for doing so.

After all it's only human that we often like to second guess these things, including a critical incident, similar to the Man MONIS matter. Why wasn't the Army's SAS involved? Because it was a police matter, and the only time the military are involved is when police determine they're unable to resolve the incident. All the decisions made or not made, come within the exclusive purview of the Incident Commander. Whether his decisions are right or wrong, that's for a later inquiry to determine, in this case it is the Coroner.

As you quite rightly opine BAZZ, '...a terrible job working in that field...' ? As it happens it is, a terrible job indeed.
Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 21 July 2016 2:36:09 PM
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Dear Existmental,

The Attorney-General's Department has the primary
responsibility for supporting the Australian Government
in protecting and promoting the rule of law.

It's the rule of law that underpins the way Australian
Society is governed.

Everyone, people and Government are bound by, and are entitle4
to, the benefit of laws.

We have enforcement agencies, and organisations like the Attorney-
General's Department that help ensure adherance to the rule of law
and effective governance and stability in our region.

There is much on the web regarding this subject- including
national security matters.

We have a robust tolerance of difference in our society.
But to maintain this tolerance we have to have an agreed framework
which will protect the rights and liberties of all. Therefore
subscribing to this legal framework is not optional.

It is important that everyone living in this country knows that
there is only one rule of law and that it is going to be enforced
whether they acknowledge its legitimacy or not
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 21 July 2016 3:09:39 PM
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o sung wu,

I just found this report, which you might find as interesting as I do.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-police-ordered-to-shoot-first-when-dealing-with-terrorists/news-story/0b983226bb212c2c57cfcccd97e34d18

Especially since the far Left militant Baader-Meinhof Group in Germany, specialist police and specialist military have been on a steep learning curve to handle terrorists - who bring an entirely different set of risks and accordingly, different protocols to handle them, especially since their assaults involve large numbers of ordinary people and in busy public places (where the public react like deer caught in the headlights).

Cooperation and coordination between all agencies and specialist units is crucial. It is not simply a police matter. That is not just enforcement, agencies such as DoFA (Foreign Affairs) may have intel and advice to take an example.

Just to say that the apparent delay, indecision and wavering of NSW police command needs to be looked into. Superficially at least, that doesn't auger well for the existence of protocols and effective training and readiness. To my knowledge the available protocols for terrorists have not been discussed in detail so far, but must be.

Continuous learning and improvement is one of the essential strategies of all successful organisations. Criticism is a gift, not unwelcome 'interference'.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 21 July 2016 3:39:15 PM
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BTW, that is NOT to suggest that security should be breached on operational details that should remain confidential, so as to not give intel to prospective terrorists and their organisations.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 21 July 2016 3:44:33 PM
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Foxy.

"It is important that everyone living in this country knows that
there is only one rule of law and that it is going to be enforced
whether they acknowledge its legitimacy or not"

Do you really believe that there is only one rule of law?

Read a bit about the application of tribal law in Australia.
http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/21.%20Aboriginal%20Customary%20Laws%20and%20Sentencing/aboriginal-customary-laws-and-sentencing-e
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 21 July 2016 4:11:28 PM
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