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Terrorists' Rights.

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G'day NICKNAMENICK...

What you say is very true, there are a lot of things the coppers need to learn, particularly when dealing with belligerent hoodlums who set about trying to provoke an incident with the coppers.

Back to the Man MONIS incident where much has been made of the apparent indecision by police to end the siege far quicker then it did. There are a number of other non-lethal force options that may've assisted in a much quicker termination of the Man MONIS incident.

There is a chemical agent known as 'Adamcite' or the correct nomenclature is DM a 'sickening agent'. DM is only used by the military, because the effects of the agent are very severe (not fatal) nevertheless considered quite unsuitable for normal law-enforcement use. Moreover DM is far more effective than either CN, CS or the newer, Oleoresin Capsicum (Capsaicinoid) Agents.

In the Lindt Cafe situation, 'perhaps' DM could have been deployed through the medium of a 'pepper fog generator', which would thoroughly immerse (fog over) the entire Cafe and it's occupants, in a matter of a second or two. As a result, all occupants within the Cafe, including Mr MONIS, would immediately suffer from the Agents acute symptomatology (severe sickening), but there's a very good chance casualties would not occur arising out of the deployment of the Agent DM ?

Of course, it's only a personal thought, it would be up to others far better skilled, to determine if the suggestion had any merit or not ? However you can be assured, deployment of the Agent DM, in those circumstances would undoubtedly do the job very effectively.
Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 23 July 2016 9:42:18 PM
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o sung wu,

The deployment of any such agent, even one acting in seconds still leaves time for two or three shots, depending on the skill possessed and the type of weapon.

The best option, if it can be taken, is always a head shot that pulverizes the brain.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 23 July 2016 10:11:22 PM
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To cut to the chase, the men and women on the job deserve a whole lot better than the police ministers they have had and the upper layers of police leadership/management too.

It is not as though a terrorist incident was completely unexpected. Yet they seemed unprepared, couldn't plan and all over the place.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 23 July 2016 10:46:44 PM
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//I suggest that you download one of the free spell checking programmes.//

That spelling of 'programme' is incorrect when talking about software. You're thinking of computer 'programs'.

I should take up this essay correcting lark. Although I'm curious as to how the students get away with it - if they hand in an essay which is not entirely their own work because you've helped them with it, does't that constitute plagiarism?
Posted by Toni Lavis, Saturday, 23 July 2016 11:07:24 PM
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such agent, even one acting in seconds still leaves time for two or three shots,.
OK he could empty his magazine at the armour and then be quietly handcuffed . The smart cop has a layer of rubber to prevent richochet, spelled ricochet from Fr ricocher as in 'faire des ricochets' which is either from Gaulish or Late Latin the authorities are uncertain but I tend to favour 'recoil' from OF 'reculer', Rom* 'reculare' which obviously is seen as L 'recul' "buttocks".
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 24 July 2016 7:55:59 AM
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Hi O Sung Wu,

We need to always take into consideration a criminal's rights and feelings. As the song goes:

WHEN A FELON'S NOT ENGAGED IN HIS EMPLOYMENT (his employment)
OR MATURING HIS FELONIOUS LITTLE PLANS (little plans)
HIS CAPACITY FOR INNOCENT ENJOYMENT (-cent enjoyment)
IS JUST AS GREAT AS ANY HONEST MAN'S (honest mans)

OUR FEELINGS WE WITH DIFFICULTY SMOTHER (-culty smother)
WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY'S TO BE DONE (to be done)
AH, TAKE ONE CONSIDERATION WITH ANOTHER (with another)
A POLICEMAN'S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE

AHHH
WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY'S TO BE DONE, TO BE DONE,
A POLICEMAN'S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE.

WHEN THE ENTERPRISING BURGLARS NOT A'BURGLING (not a'burgling)
WHEN THE CUT THROAT ISN'T OCCUPIED IN CRIME (-pied in crime)
HE LOVES TO HEAR THE LITTLE BROOK A'GURGLING (brook a'gurgling)
AND LISTEN TO THE MERRY VILLAGE CHIME (village chime)

WHEN THE 'COSTER'S FINISHED JUMPING ON HIS MOTHER (on his mother)
HE LOVES TO LIE A'BASKING IN THE SUN (in the sun)
AH, TAKE ONE CONSIDERATION WITH ANOTHER (with another)
A POLICEMAN'S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE

AHHH
WHEN CONSTABULARY DUTY'S TO BE DONE, TO BE DONE,
A POLICEMAN'S LOT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE (nappy one).

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 24 July 2016 9:15:57 AM
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