ABC news today. The police Foreward Commander admitted that he was responsible for the Lindt cafe deaths. Ex-policeman and their apologists can try to 'explain' away police incompetence as much as they wish. But the fool in charge in this instance, has a conscience of sorts, and has admitted that his faffing around and stupid thoughts about the 'rights' of a terrorist caused the murders of 3 innocent coffee-drinkers. There is simply no excuse for such stupidity and incompetence in someone supposed to be protecting the public. And, anyone attempting to excuse it including, including o sung woo, is a knob-headed idiot.

Dear Is Mise,

I had read the link that you provided earlier.
So I am familiar with cases of tribal law within
our legal system and the fact that some Aboriginal
people want to not only keep their culture, respect
their ancestors and their law.

This of course puts them into a dilemma. How do these
fit into a contemporary legal world and how can Aboriginal
people claim equality and human rights?

Alison Anderson an Aboriginal woman and former minister for
Aboriginal Affairs in the N.T. is one of many Indigenous
people who opposes the return to tribal law. Because, as
she explains:

"We have main stream laws and we all have to abide by them.
Our old laws were savage laws that existed at the time we ran
the desert. I speak my languages and keep my culture but that
does not stop me living in the other (Western) world.
What we want now is to move on."

Hi TTBN...

Thanks for implying I'm a 'knob-headed idiot' simply because I tried to (respectfully) explain; the likely reason(s) why, the Man MONIS incident ended as it did. I wouldn't be so insulting of you by suggesting you couldn't do any better, because I happen to agree with much of what you say on most Topics raised on 'The Forum'. And for your info. I've attended several very serious sieges involving heavily armed criminals.

Anyway as we're speaking particularly on this matter , it appears you have little confidence in anything I say, concerning policing protocols in high risk static situations ? Arguing as you did, somewhat absurdly and ludicrously, that I tried to 'excuse incompetence' of police command on this day ?

As you're such a facile, and in some measure, vacuous individual, with little or no appreciation of the substantial difficulties confronting police command in siege situations, it's best that I simply write you off !

I could just imagine seeing you, trying so hard to conceal yourself among the milling crowds, as just another peculiarly noisy bystander, bleating derision and expletives at police. Only he himself, an individual of ineffectual qualities, wouldn't have the courage, nor a scintilla of an idea, on how to 'safely' resolve the incident himself. You're a sad lad TTBN !

Foxy.

Tribal law is not part of our legal system, it is outside it, so your statement that there is one law in Australia is demonstrably wrong.

Hi (again) FOXY...

I'm so glad to see that your recent fall that landed you in hospital hasn't dented your enthusiasm to add your commentary to the Forum. I do hope you're feeling much better with your broken wrist. A difficult area of the anatomy to repair I believe, with the complex arrangement of small bones to contend with. It's really great to see you back once more!

o sung wu,

Unfortunately you are right, the man on he spot had it right too,
Monis did enjoy rights and the Commander on the spot was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

Monis had claimed to be wired to explosives and the Commander had to take the claim seriously, to do otherwise would be dereliction of duty.

Then he and his advisers had to consider just what type of detonating device was involved; impact sensitive on his chest or back (because a bullet from the sniper rifle could go straight through the upper torso).
Pressure sensitive ones in his ears or impact sensitive on his head or perhaps a mercury switch that set a detonator off when it passed,say 45 degrees from horizontal. The permutations are numerous.

There was a real possibility that a wrong decision could have initiated an explosion that could have killed everyone in the cafe.

With hindsight we can all see what should have been done, but I would have done the same as the Commander and waited as long as possible.
The only thing that I would have done differently was send in only three men armed with their pistols and with shotguns.