Loudmouth,

"Is Mise is being empirically quite correct when he suggests, quite logically, that some guns are not designed to kill. Some are designed, and used, to kill feral pests..."

Er..."...to kill feral pests..."

Ergo - a gun that "is designed to kill".

Sheesh!.....

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Is Mise,

"But then I never said that they were not, you are the one who repeated the anti-gun mantra that all guns are designed to kill, and you are demonstrably wrong."

Where did I state that "all" guns are designed to kill?...(link please)

Why are you wasting time arguing this point?.....as you say:

"Of course most guns are designed to kill, the majority of firearm made are either for the military or for hunting and in both cases are designed to kill..."

Some plates are used for display or to hang on walls...but you'd be hard pressed to win a pedantic argument that they're not principally designed to hold food.

Now all you green supporters of the NSW Greens' Principle 7.

"
Sydney Morning Herald, July 12, 2016, p.6. News section, Column 1, Item 6:

Break-in shot down.

A housebreaker got more than he bargained for in northern NSW when he was confronted by the resident brandishing a gun.
Police say the intruder had a knife and a chain when he tried to force his way into a south Grafton home on Saturday night, but was greeted by a 64 year old man who fired a shot into the ground.
Police arrested a 43 year old man."

Do you believe that the 64 year old man should be prosecuted for USING a firearm for self defence?

Do you think that he had a right to protect himself?

Or do you think that he should have rung "000" and offered the aggressive intruder a cup of tea?

Or perhaps you think that he should have copped a bashing and a few stab wounds so that Principle 7. would not be violated?

Joe, wishful thinking on your part with the Coalition (Turnballs) losing a dozen lower house seats and several senate seats. I would hardly call the Nick Xenophon Team and a few others, Coalition allies. Perhaps you are referring to the love of your life the unpredictable Pauline Hanson as a Coalition ally. One thing that looks beyond doubt is The Shooters prop man Leyonhjelm was given the drop kick in NSW, I am so pleased.
It cost Turnballs a %1,000,000 of his own money to "win" the top job. Now Barnyard and his motley crew of cow cockies are call the shots in the Coalition. The crazy right wing of the party led by Cory Banana is openly calling for Turnball's head and the recall of the Mad Monk himself. I must say it was a terrific result, I love it. Turnball's needs to do some serious head kicking and take on the disloyal white ants within, otherwise he's got 12 to 18 months at best. Is Turnball's up to the job, I doubt it.
Joe keep dreaming, it may even come true, you never know.

Poirot,

"Where did I state that "all" guns are designed to kill?...(link please)"
Page 38, this topic.

"Re your silly comment about cars (this thread or another)...which aren't manufactured for the sole purpose of killing or maiming - unlike guns" ['guns' being an inclusive noun, means all guns]

That is where you said that guns are manufactured for the sole purpose of killing or maiming "...which aren't manufactured for the sole purpose of killing or maiming - unlike guns"

Seems like plain enough English.

Is Mise, then there was Ben Batterham of Newcastle who was charged with murder after shooting Ricky Slater, Batterham claimed Slater had broken into his house. Like with Ian Turnbull there can be serious consequences if one shoots another, and then claims it was self defense, and so it should be, In your case Is Mise was the 64 year old defending himself from the ground. It may prove fortunate for him that he shot the ground, and not the intruder.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-29/man-charged-alleged-intruder-murder-remains-custody/7280312

//Is Mise, then there was Ben Batterham of Newcastle who was charged with murder after shooting Ricky Slater, Batterham claimed Slater had broken into his house.//

Complete and utter bollocks. This one happened in my neck of the woods and it was all over the local news. Batterham did not shoot Slater-Dickson (who did break into Batterham's house); there was no weapon of any kind involved. The fatal injuries inflicted on Ricky Slater Dickson were inflicted bare-handed.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/benjamin-batterham-repeatedly-punched-home-invader-ricky-slaterdickson-before-death-court-hears-20160506-goof5p.html

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3898139/updated-ben-batterham-granted-bail/